Motorcyclist charged with vehicular homicide

L8 Braker · 03-09-2011, 04:04 PM

Man facing charges in traffic crash that killed bystander

wildchild · 03-09-2011, 04:13 PM

i put innocent because it doesn't say what rate of speed, only high rate. could be ten over. the cage driver caused the wreck by turning in front of the bike, again assuming a not incredible speed.

here you only get vehicular homicide if your were under the influence. if he's OWI then toss him in the can.

udman · 03-09-2011, 04:47 PM

I vote "present" until more information is available.

goof2 · 03-09-2011, 04:52 PM

I didn't pick one. There isn't enough information for me to decide. I can say the circumstances would have to be pretty damn bad for me to say this guy is guilty though.

To think of it another way can anyone imagine circumstances, outside of being wasted, where the driver of the Camry would be charged with vehicular homicide for the bike killing a pedestrian even if the Camry driver was totally at fault?

tommymac · 03-09-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by goof2

I didn't pick one. There isn't enough information for me to decide. I can say the circumstances would have to be pretty damn bad for me to say this guy is guilty though.

To think of it another way can anyone imagine circumstances, outside of being wasted, where the driver of the Camry would be charged with vehicular homicide for the bike killing a pedestrian even if the Camry driver was totally at fault?

hard to say if the driver is fully at fault, was it a controle dintersection with a stop sign or anything like that. Being a young guy on a sportbike already puts you at a disadvantage in most cases.

Captain Morgan · 03-09-2011, 05:00 PM

I can't answer without knowing all of the specifics. What, exactly, is "well above the posted speed limit"? If the guy was going 110 in a 30, then he's guilty. If he was going 50 in a 30, then I'd lean toward innocent. Reason I say guilty if he's flying is because the accident likely wouldn't have happened had he been going a reasonable speed. Yes, the Camry driver turned left in front of him. However, it's difficult enough to judge the speed of a motorcycle, let alone when the guy is doubling or tripling the speed limit. When you're driving down a familar road, you have a general idea of how far someone can be from you so that you have time to complete your turn. But when someone is unexpectedly "flying" down the road, you can misjudge that distance very easily. Just because he's on a motorcycle, doesn't mean it's automatically the cager's fault. I need more details to decide.

goof2 · 03-09-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tommymac

hard to say if the driver is fully at fault, was it a controle dintersection with a stop sign or anything like that. Being a young guy on a sportbike already puts you at a disadvantage in most cases.

I looked it up on google street view. No stop sign. The road is also dead straight with no hills to obstruct the Camry driver's view (typical Florida). It is a primarily industrial area, the road is one lane each direction with a double yellow line, and the speed limit looks to be 30mph.

tommymac · 03-09-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by goof2

I looked it up on google street view. No stop sign. The road is also dead straight with no hills to obstruct the Camry driver's view (typical Florida). It is a primarily industrial area, the road is one lane each direction with a double yellow line, and the speed limit looks to be 30mph.

Guess i gotta go with captn on this one then, we need to know this high rate of speed and the other driver is 73 so did they realy even see the guy comming or properly react to it?

goof2 · 03-09-2011, 05:11 PM

I agree and would really need to know what "well above the posted speed limit" means. In my experience practically everyone is traveling "well above the posted speed limit" (10-20mph over) on roads like that down here.

L8 Braker · 03-09-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by udman

I vote "present" until more information is available.

Here's some info from another article...

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...-death/1156180

The Florida Highway Patrol says Joshua H. Cross, then 20, was speeding down Louis Avenue on his Suzuki motorcycle, passing slower vehicles, when he collided with a 1990 Toyota turning onto Lucas Street.

View Poll Results: The motorcyclist is
Guilty	4	36.36%
Innocent	7	63.64%
Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

03-09-2011, 04:04 PM	#1
L8 Braker Swollen Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 558	Motorcyclist charged with vehicular homicide Man facing charges in traffic crash that killed bystander

03-09-2011, 04:47 PM	#3
udman You are not the Man!! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin TX Moto: Hawk GT Posts: 750	I vote "present" until more information is available. __________________ You can put lipstick on a VS Forum, but it's still a VS Forum...

03-09-2011, 04:13 PM	#2
wildchild cruiser Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: on the run Moto: '09 HD superglide, 16 Yamaha FZ 09 Posts: 2,749	i put innocent because it doesn't say what rate of speed, only high rate. could be ten over. the cage driver caused the wreck by turning in front of the bike, again assuming a not incredible speed. here you only get vehicular homicide if your were under the influence. if he's OWI then toss him in the can.

03-09-2011, 04:52 PM	#4
goof2 AMA Supersport Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,756	I didn't pick one. There isn't enough information for me to decide. I can say the circumstances would have to be pretty damn bad for me to say this guy is guilty though. To think of it another way can anyone imagine circumstances, outside of being wasted, where the driver of the Camry would be charged with vehicular homicide for the bike killing a pedestrian even if the Camry driver was totally at fault?

03-09-2011, 05:00 PM	#6
Captain Morgan Let's do another U-turn Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indiana Moto: 2009 V-Strom Posts: 3,816	I can't answer without knowing all of the specifics. What, exactly, is "well above the posted speed limit"? If the guy was going 110 in a 30, then he's guilty. If he was going 50 in a 30, then I'd lean toward innocent. Reason I say guilty if he's flying is because the accident likely wouldn't have happened had he been going a reasonable speed. Yes, the Camry driver turned left in front of him. However, it's difficult enough to judge the speed of a motorcycle, let alone when the guy is doubling or tripling the speed limit. When you're driving down a familar road, you have a general idea of how far someone can be from you so that you have time to complete your turn. But when someone is unexpectedly "flying" down the road, you can misjudge that distance very easily. Just because he's on a motorcycle, doesn't mean it's automatically the cager's fault. I need more details to decide.

03-09-2011, 05:11 PM	#9
goof2 AMA Supersport Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,756	I agree and would really need to know what "well above the posted speed limit" means. In my experience practically everyone is traveling "well above the posted speed limit" (10-20mph over) on roads like that down here.