followup: California outlaws large, power-hungry TVs

RACER X · 11-24-2009, 11:30 AM

California outlaws large, power-hungry TVs

In a move that could spell the end of the plasma TV industry as we know it, the state of California agreed today to enact strict regulations on the amount of power televisions can consume, effectively outlawing most large plasma TVs as of January 1, 2011, with many more televisions set to be banned beginning January 1, 2013.

The state had been concerned that 10 percent of a home's energy use is typically devoted to the TV and its related equipment, and that percentage has been increasing as consumers gain access to larger and larger (and cheaper and cheaper) televisions, which command an ever-increasing hunger for power.

The new rules go into effect a little more than a year from now: On January 1, 2011, televisions will be required to reduce energy consumption by an average of 33 percent. In 2013, a second tier of restrictions will go into effect, with average energy consumption required to be reduced by 49 percent vs. today's levels.

Rest assured, this doesn't mean the end of the television as we know it. As the California Energy Commission notes, as of now, over 1,000 televisions already meet the 2011 standards, so many manufacturers won't have to panic in order to comply with the regulations, at least for now.

Those who will be heavily affected are manufacturers who make televisions that draw more than their fair share of juice. A formula related to the size of the TV's screen in square inches will be used to determine the maximum power draw allowed by a TV. For example, Panasonic's 54-inch VIERA plasma TV would be allowed to draw 281 watts of power in "on mode." Today that set is rated to draw 293 watts of power. Smaller plasmas are generally OK under the 2011 specs, but virtually all of them fall short when put up against the 2013 rules. That same 54-inch plasma will be required to draw only 175 watts once 2013 arrives, a power reduction that just might not be possible.

Bottom line: Most LCD televisions will be safe under the 2011 law, and many plasmas will as well, but come 2013, everyone's going to have to do some serious belt-tightening.

All told, the new rules are expected to save 6,515 Gigawatt-hours annually in the state, save the state $8.7 billion in costs for additional power plants, and save consumers $8.1 billion a year in lower energy bills.

One additional point of note: The new rules currently don't apply to very large TVs, those of 1,400 square inches or larger (roughly a 58" set), although rules are likely to be enacted against these ultra-large sets in the second phase of this legislation.

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/154936

z06boy · 11-24-2009, 12:05 PM

I really liked California when I visited earlier this year BUT am so glad I don't live there...too many extra rules/laws.

If they start that here...glad I've only got a 46" LCD...although I wanted bigger when I bought this one.

Smittie61984 · 11-24-2009, 04:51 PM

They vote nut jobs like Pelosi, Governator, etc in office so here is what you get. I don't see why they just turn over control of the state to the UC Berkely students and get it over with. That's the direction they are heading so why not put it on the fast track.

Dave · 11-24-2009, 05:19 PM

when the hell are businesses going to cut california off? a nice products embargo would fix a lot of the bullshit that place produces

Papa_Complex · 11-25-2009, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

when the hell are businesses going to cut california off? a nice products embargo would fix a lot of the bullshit that place produces

Hard to cut off a State that has a larger population than my entire country. That's a big market.

derf · 11-25-2009, 08:32 AM

And in other news the TV emporium chain of discount superstores has announced it will open a series of stores in Nevada along its border with California

Dave · 11-25-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Hard to cut off a State that has a larger population than my entire country. That's a big market.

never said it wasnt gonna hurt but someones needed to reign them in since they came up with their one state emissions for cars in the 70s.

Quote:

Originally Posted by derf

And in other news the TV emporium chain of discount superstores has announced it will open a series of stores in Nevada along its border with California

exactly. And if we end up bailing their worthless asses out they should lose their rights to vote and representation until such time as they pay it back.

fasternyou929 · 11-25-2009, 10:43 AM

Manufacturers will just find ways to make their sets more efficient. Of course, it'll cost more. Did car manufacturers stop selling in CA when all the emissions requirements went into effect?

This will be the same. And, as much as I dislike big gov't, the silver lining is it will push vendors to make more energy efficient devices.

Papa_Complex · 11-25-2009, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

Manufacturers will just find ways to make their sets more efficient. Of course, it'll cost more. Did car manufacturers stop selling in CA when all the emissions requirements went into effect?

This will be the same. And, as much as I dislike big gov't, the silver lining is it will push vendors to make more energy efficient devices.

I'm not all that worried, given that 80%+ are supposed to already be in compliance.

Apoc · 11-25-2009, 01:02 PM

wow... whats next?

While it doesnt affect me in anyway, its disturbing that any governement can make laws like this to cover their own failings.

11-24-2009, 11:30 AM	#1
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	followup: California outlaws large, power-hungry TVs California outlaws large, power-hungry TVs In a move that could spell the end of the plasma TV industry as we know it, the state of California agreed today to enact strict regulations on the amount of power televisions can consume, effectively outlawing most large plasma TVs as of January 1, 2011, with many more televisions set to be banned beginning January 1, 2013. The state had been concerned that 10 percent of a home's energy use is typically devoted to the TV and its related equipment, and that percentage has been increasing as consumers gain access to larger and larger (and cheaper and cheaper) televisions, which command an ever-increasing hunger for power. The new rules go into effect a little more than a year from now: On January 1, 2011, televisions will be required to reduce energy consumption by an average of 33 percent. In 2013, a second tier of restrictions will go into effect, with average energy consumption required to be reduced by 49 percent vs. today's levels. Rest assured, this doesn't mean the end of the television as we know it. As the California Energy Commission notes, as of now, over 1,000 televisions already meet the 2011 standards, so many manufacturers won't have to panic in order to comply with the regulations, at least for now. Those who will be heavily affected are manufacturers who make televisions that draw more than their fair share of juice. A formula related to the size of the TV's screen in square inches will be used to determine the maximum power draw allowed by a TV. For example, Panasonic's 54-inch VIERA plasma TV would be allowed to draw 281 watts of power in "on mode." Today that set is rated to draw 293 watts of power. Smaller plasmas are generally OK under the 2011 specs, but virtually all of them fall short when put up against the 2013 rules. That same 54-inch plasma will be required to draw only 175 watts once 2013 arrives, a power reduction that just might not be possible. Bottom line: Most LCD televisions will be safe under the 2011 law, and many plasmas will as well, but come 2013, everyone's going to have to do some serious belt-tightening. All told, the new rules are expected to save 6,515 Gigawatt-hours annually in the state, save the state $8.7 billion in costs for additional power plants, and save consumers $8.1 billion a year in lower energy bills. One additional point of note: The new rules currently don't apply to very large TVs, those of 1,400 square inches or larger (roughly a 58" set), although rules are likely to be enacted against these ultra-large sets in the second phase of this legislation. http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/154936 __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD. Last edited by RACER X; 11-24-2009 at 11:45 AM..

11-24-2009, 04:51 PM	#3
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derf token jewboy Join Date: Nov 2008 Moto: CBR 900, KLR ugly ass duckling, Gas Man Posts: 10,799	And in other news the TV emporium chain of discount superstores has announced it will open a series of stores in Nevada along its border with California __________________

11-24-2009, 12:05 PM	#2
z06boy Letzroll Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lake Norman area, NC Moto: 07 Red R1 & 07 Blue R6 Posts: 5,265	I really liked California when I visited earlier this year BUT am so glad I don't live there...too many extra rules/laws. If they start that here...glad I've only got a 46" LCD...although I wanted bigger when I bought this one.

11-25-2009, 10:43 AM	#8
fasternyou929 SFL Expatriate #2 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Raleigh, NC Moto: CBR1000 Posts: 2,043	Manufacturers will just find ways to make their sets more efficient. Of course, it'll cost more. Did car manufacturers stop selling in CA when all the emissions requirements went into effect? This will be the same. And, as much as I dislike big gov't, the silver lining is it will push vendors to make more energy efficient devices.

11-25-2009, 01:02 PM	#10
Apoc For Science. You Monster. Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Canada Moto: '08 HD FLSTSB Posts: 3,546	wow... whats next? While it doesnt affect me in anyway, its disturbing that any governement can make laws like this to cover their own failings.