Am I the only one?

Rangerscott · 11-21-2009, 02:56 PM

That thinks that anything sold with an engine (motor is electrical silly) should automatically come with a Service manual? I'm not talking about the 20 page booklet crap.

I read countless threads with someone that doesn't have a FSM and the first post from someone is, "Go buy a FSM." I can understand if its a used bike and the seller didnt give it to you but a dealership should just handle it over to you just like they do the bill.

Homeslice · 11-21-2009, 02:59 PM

Why should they help you work on your own vehicle? I don't know about bike dealerships, but at car dealerships the profit from parts & service usually equals or exceeds the sales department's.

tommymac · 11-21-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangerscott

That thinks that anything sold with an engine (motor is electrical silly) should automatically come with a Service manual? I'm not talking about the 20 page booklet crap.

I read countless threads with someone that doesn't have a FSM and the first post from someone is, "Go buy a FSM." I can understand if its a used bike and the seller didnt give it to you but a dealership should just handle it over to you just like they do the bill.

Bu tthen they wouldbe be able to charge you for it. I do like how you can go to an auto parts store and get a haynes or chlymer manual for 20 bucks but a dealer will charge close to if not over 100 fo ra MC manual.

Fortunatley most can be found online as a free DL.

Tom

Rangerscott · 11-21-2009, 03:06 PM

I cant completely trust the 3rd party books since they still wont correct important things on my vehicle. Even after countless people have emailed them pointing it out.

Particle Man · 11-21-2009, 03:18 PM

nope - I'd rather they come separate... tons of people don't have the first clue about working on an engine so they're better off letting someone else do it

Rangerscott · 11-21-2009, 03:40 PM

Just cause they get the fsm doesnt mean they are gonna work on it. Its an instruction book just like you'd get with any thing thats electrical/mechanical. But I'm sure every person on here NEVER reads the instructions.

azoomm · 11-21-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

Why should they help you work on your own vehicle? I don't know about bike dealerships, but at car dealerships the profit from parts & service usually equals or exceeds the sales department's.

This. And, this...

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Originally Posted by Particle Man

nope - I'd rather they come separate... tons of people don't have the first clue about working on an engine so they're better off letting someone else do it

Not everyone knows which end of the hammer to hold...

racedoll · 11-21-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangerscott

Just cause they get the fsm doesnt mean they are gonna work on it. Its an instruction book just like you'd get with any thing thats electrical/mechanical. But I'm sure every person on here NEVER reads the instructions.

I read my owners manual for my bike cover to cover before I brought the bike itself home. I also bought the factory service manual and used it to help remove the forks off my bike since that was the whole point in having it, to help me.

TYEster · 11-22-2009, 11:16 AM

I don't much trust the previous owners expertise on my vehicles, so whatever I can do to look and check it over, I will.

With that said, the only service manuals I think there should be available, is for download online for free. I got spoiled being able to get the ZX10s manual so easy, to which point, it was a BITCH to get the CRFs online.

Gas Man · 11-22-2009, 12:20 PM

I don't agree. There are plently of mc owners that have no right working on bikes. They would just f something up. Fruther there are some that just wouldn't want it. Guys who take their bikes to the dealer for everything.

That being said, I own a SM for all my bikes. But here's a big kicker. HD sells 3 books for every model line. A service manual, which will tell you how to do all the mechanics and take things apart. A electrical diagnosis manual, which helps you go thru all the electronics. Lastly, a parts manual, which just gives you part numbers for every piece on the bike. I buy the first 2 for each bike, at..... $60 a crack!

11-21-2009, 02:56 PM	#1
Rangerscott Viff6N Mutated Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Moto: '01 Honda VFR 800 & '09 ER-6N Posts: 8,704	Am I the only one? That thinks that anything sold with an engine (motor is electrical silly) should automatically come with a Service manual? I'm not talking about the 20 page booklet crap. I read countless threads with someone that doesn't have a FSM and the first post from someone is, "Go buy a FSM." I can understand if its a used bike and the seller didnt give it to you but a dealership should just handle it over to you just like they do the bill.

11-21-2009, 03:18 PM	#5
Particle Man Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central NY Moto: 2003 SV650S Posts: 14,959	nope - I'd rather they come separate... tons of people don't have the first clue about working on an engine so they're better off letting someone else do it __________________ I'm not "fat." I'm "Enlarged to show texture." Handle every stressful situation like a DOG: If you can't eat it or hump it, pi$$ on it & walk away.

11-22-2009, 12:20 PM	#10
Gas Man Trip's Assistant Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Imported from Detroit Moto: 2009 HD Street Classic Posts: 12,149	I don't agree. There are plently of mc owners that have no right working on bikes. They would just f something up. Fruther there are some that just wouldn't want it. Guys who take their bikes to the dealer for everything. That being said, I own a SM for all my bikes. But here's a big kicker. HD sells 3 books for every model line. A service manual, which will tell you how to do all the mechanics and take things apart. A electrical diagnosis manual, which helps you go thru all the electronics. Lastly, a parts manual, which just gives you part numbers for every piece on the bike. I buy the first 2 for each bike, at..... $60 a crack! __________________ -Chris "Why pay somebody else to fuck up your bike?" Run Amsoil Product

11-21-2009, 02:59 PM	#2
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Why should they help you work on your own vehicle? I don't know about bike dealerships, but at car dealerships the profit from parts & service usually equals or exceeds the sales department's.

11-21-2009, 03:06 PM	#4
Rangerscott Viff6N Mutated Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Moto: '01 Honda VFR 800 & '09 ER-6N Posts: 8,704	I cant completely trust the 3rd party books since they still wont correct important things on my vehicle. Even after countless people have emailed them pointing it out.

11-21-2009, 03:40 PM	#6
Rangerscott Viff6N Mutated Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Moto: '01 Honda VFR 800 & '09 ER-6N Posts: 8,704	Just cause they get the fsm doesnt mean they are gonna work on it. Its an instruction book just like you'd get with any thing thats electrical/mechanical. But I'm sure every person on here NEVER reads the instructions.

11-22-2009, 11:16 AM	#9
TYEster With MORE TYEstosterone Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: TX Moto: '12 KX450F / 08 YZ250F #512 / 07 KX65 #1 Posts: 1,429	I don't much trust the previous owners expertise on my vehicles, so whatever I can do to look and check it over, I will. With that said, the only service manuals I think there should be available, is for download online for free. I got spoiled being able to get the ZX10s manual so easy, to which point, it was a BITCH to get the CRFs online.