US officer got no reply to cables asking more security for Benghazi

fatbuckRTO · 10-09-2012, 04:07 PM

US officer got no reply to cables asking more security for Benghazi

Reuters – 1 hr 12 mins ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. security officer formerly stationed in Libya has told lawmakers he sent two cables to the State Department requesting more security agents for the American mission in Benghazi but received no response.

The officer, Eric Nordstrom, also said that a State Department official, Charlene Lamb, wanted to keep the number of U.S. security personnel in Benghazi "artificially low," according to a memo summarizing his comments that was obtained by Reuters.

The State Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Nordstrom's statements.

Nordstrom was interviewed by a congressional committee investigating the attack last month on the U.S. mission in Benghazi in which the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans were killed.

The top U.S. intelligence authority, the office of the Director of National Intelligence, says the four Americans were killed in an organized terrorist assault, but the attackers have not been identified.

A brief summary of Nordstrom's interview with the Republican-controlled House Oversight and Government Reform Committee was contained in a memo prepared by the committee's minority Democratic staff.

Nordstrom, a State Department regional security officer, was based in Tripoli until about two months before the Benghazi attack, the memo said.

Nordstrom told lawmakers that Patrick Kennedy, the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

"He (Nordstrom) stated that he sent two cables to State Department headquarters in March and July 2012 requesting additional Diplomatic Security Agents for Benghazi, but that he received no responses," the memo said.

At some point, however, it appears Nordstrom learned the views of Lamb because he told the committee she "wanted to keep the number of U.S. security personnel in Benghazi artificially low," the memo said.

"He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency, but that she thought the best course of action was to assign three agents," the memo said.

The Oversight and Government Reform committee has been investigating the handling of security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi before the attack. House Republican aides also confirmed the account of the interview as presented in the Democratic memo.

Nordstrom is expected to testify at a hearing of the committee on Wednesday, along with Lamb, the deputy assistant secretary of state for international programs, and Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Wood, who headed a security support team at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli.

The Democratic memo said that Kennedy was also invited to testify.

Ambassador Chris Stevens died of smoke inhalation when he was trapped alone inside the burning building in Benghazi in an attack that began on the evening of September 11. Debate over whether the Obama administration was caught unprepared by an assault by militant groups has become U.S. election-year fodder.

(Reporting By Susan Cornwell. Editing by Warren Strobel and Cynthia Osterman)

fatbuckRTO · 10-09-2012, 04:22 PM

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The officer, Eric Nordstrom, also said that a State Department official, Charlene Lamb, wanted to keep the number of U.S. security personnel in Benghazi "artificially low," according to a memo summarizing his comments that was obtained by Reuters.

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Nordstrom told lawmakers that Patrick Kennedy, the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

So was the request for the "full complement" of agents, i.e. 5, or was it for more? If he was only asking for two more agents, I don't see that making much of a difference. Unless one of them was the Master Chief.

udman · 10-09-2012, 04:32 PM

Everybody is talking about Big Bird and we've got a US Ambassador dead from a coordinated attack that the White House claims was caused by a YouTube video.

OneSickPsycho · 10-09-2012, 04:51 PM

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Everybody is talking about Big Bird and we've got a US Ambassador dead from a coordinated attack that the White House claims was caused by a YouTube video.

Right... a video that was released the same day as the attack... in a region that 6% of the population even has internet access...

Then there's this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...a-attacks.html

fatbuckRTO · 10-09-2012, 05:19 PM

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Right... a video that was released the same day as the attack... in a region that 6% of the population even has internet access...

Then there's this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...a-attacks.html

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He added that there were no protesters at the consulate before the assault, which he told the TV station came in two waves - the first involving rocket-propelled grenades on the consulate then with mortars at a safe house.

Adds to my confusion as to how additional security personnel were supposed to have made a difference. Unless Nordstrom had requested an infantry platoon to secure the town. Three or four or ten additional agents could not have caught the RPG's or mortars.

Smittie61984 · 10-09-2012, 08:20 PM

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Adds to my confusion as to how additional security personnel were supposed to have made a difference. Unless Nordstrom had requested an infantry platoon to secure the town. Three or four or ten additional agents could not have caught the RPG's or mortars.

What I don't understand, why wasn't there an infantry platoon there or some very well armed Marines. I know it's a consulate and not an embassy but we shoudl know that in some countries we need a stronger force. American consulate in Canada should have 4 security guards, not in the middle of a war zone. Even looking at the US Embassy in Tel Aviv, it looks like it'd take one hell of an effort to get through that bitch.

I think to sum it up.
- We want to support the thugs we put into power
- to do this we'll staff this place with 2 guys armed with sling shots and paintballs to prove that the people of Libya are peaceful people.
- Oh shit, shit went to shit, look at Big Bird!

Twobanger · 10-11-2012, 05:20 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zSvDkwsFsk8

10-09-2012, 04:07 PM	#1
fatbuckRTO This is not the sig line. Join Date: Dec 2008 Moto: Be prepared. What? Oh, moto... Posts: 1,279	US officer got no reply to cables asking more security for Benghazi US officer got no reply to cables asking more security for Benghazi Reuters – 1 hr 12 mins ago WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. security officer formerly stationed in Libya has told lawmakers he sent two cables to the State Department requesting more security agents for the American mission in Benghazi but received no response. The officer, Eric Nordstrom, also said that a State Department official, Charlene Lamb, wanted to keep the number of U.S. security personnel in Benghazi "artificially low," according to a memo summarizing his comments that was obtained by Reuters. The State Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Nordstrom's statements. Nordstrom was interviewed by a congressional committee investigating the attack last month on the U.S. mission in Benghazi in which the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans were killed. The top U.S. intelligence authority, the office of the Director of National Intelligence, says the four Americans were killed in an organized terrorist assault, but the attackers have not been identified. A brief summary of Nordstrom's interview with the Republican-controlled House Oversight and Government Reform Committee was contained in a memo prepared by the committee's minority Democratic staff. Nordstrom, a State Department regional security officer, was based in Tripoli until about two months before the Benghazi attack, the memo said. Nordstrom told lawmakers that Patrick Kennedy, the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four. "He (Nordstrom) stated that he sent two cables to State Department headquarters in March and July 2012 requesting additional Diplomatic Security Agents for Benghazi, but that he received no responses," the memo said. At some point, however, it appears Nordstrom learned the views of Lamb because he told the committee she "wanted to keep the number of U.S. security personnel in Benghazi artificially low," the memo said. "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency, but that she thought the best course of action was to assign three agents," the memo said. The Oversight and Government Reform committee has been investigating the handling of security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi before the attack. House Republican aides also confirmed the account of the interview as presented in the Democratic memo. Nordstrom is expected to testify at a hearing of the committee on Wednesday, along with Lamb, the deputy assistant secretary of state for international programs, and Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Wood, who headed a security support team at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli. The Democratic memo said that Kennedy was also invited to testify. Ambassador Chris Stevens died of smoke inhalation when he was trapped alone inside the burning building in Benghazi in an attack that began on the evening of September 11. Debate over whether the Obama administration was caught unprepared by an assault by militant groups has become U.S. election-year fodder. (Reporting By Susan Cornwell. Editing by Warren Strobel and Cynthia Osterman) __________________ This was no time for half measures. He was a captain, godsdammit. An officer. Things like this didn't present a problem for an officer. Officers had a tried and tested way of solving problems like this. It was called a sergeant. -Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!

10-09-2012, 04:32 PM	#3
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