Body Positioning

Switch · 11-24-2008, 02:39 PM

As you may or may not know, I was at TGPR last Monday. It felt a lot different than Nashville and I wasn't as comfy as I was @ Nashville either. After seeing the pictures, I think I look like a frog.

So, my request is that my body positioning be critiqued so that I may improve. Thank you.

NONE_too_SOFT · 11-24-2008, 02:44 PM

doesnt look like your getting your bum off the seat enough, and you look like you're leaning forward and not sticking your knee out there. kinda like your humpin your tank too close, crowding your body all up in the front.

Switch · 11-24-2008, 02:46 PM

I've heard that if you are putting more than 1 asscheek off the seat, its too much.

NONE_too_SOFT · 11-24-2008, 02:49 PM

depends on where your ass is sliding off the seat though. the rear of the seat is almost twice as large as the front, and like i said you look crammed up on your tank.

azoomm · 11-24-2008, 02:50 PM

I agree with NTS. Drop your elbow more... which will drop your shoulder and get you over. That will upright the bike more, which means more contact patch on your tires. If you look, you are at the WAAaaaaay edge of your tire - if you get your body over, and the bike up more... the contact will be better.

This is so much easier to talk about in person rather than trying to type it

Switch · 11-24-2008, 02:54 PM

Agreed that upper body needs to be off more.

Disagree with not being on the tank. Sitting up is bad.

NONE_too_SOFT · 11-24-2008, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azoomm

I agree with NTS. Drop your elbow more... which will drop your shoulder and get you over. That will upright the bike more, which means more contact patch on your tires. If you look, you are at the WAAaaaaay edge of your tire - if you get your body over, and the bike up more... the contact will be better.

This is so much easier to talk about in person rather than trying to type it

lol i hear ya, i really couldnt find the right words to describe what i was trying to say.

Trip · 11-24-2008, 03:00 PM

yeah, you are twisting your body, definitely need to rotate the upper body out more and drop the elbow. That's my biggest problem too.

lauralynne · 11-24-2008, 03:15 PM

get out from behind the windscreen - specifically your head - the rest will follow. Try lining up your eyes/head with where your mirrors WOULD be.

Avatard · 11-24-2008, 04:27 PM

When you go around a turn to your left, centrifugal forces want to stand the bike up, and fling it off to the right. Your body weight is what keeps it down. Think of it as a tug of war against the centrifugal forces as essentially controlled by the throttle. The more you are leaned inside against these forces with your weight, the harder you can theoretically crank on the throttle without the bike actually standing up, and you flying up and over to the right.

Just like in a tug of war with a rope, you lean away from the pull of the forces by increasing your angle relative to your inside most contact [fulcrum] point (in this case your inside footpeg) to maximize the effectiveness of your weight.

In other words, the harder you're tugging that shit down towards the inside, the harder you can crank on the gas, and the faster you can go through the turn, the limiting factors then being essentially tire contact and adhesion.

Yes, the more you hang off that shit like a desperate tug-of-war participant, the faster you can go, all other things being equal.

Keeping the weight bias forward is essential if the bike is understeering, and when on throttle for exit, it will keep the back more tucked in. It's not so much one position, as a smooth arc motion. Lead with your forehead.

11-24-2008, 02:39 PM	#1
Switch dadbod Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East TN Posts: 1,215	Body Positioning As you may or may not know, I was at TGPR last Monday. It felt a lot different than Nashville and I wasn't as comfy as I was @ Nashville either. After seeing the pictures, I think I look like a frog. So, my request is that my body positioning be critiqued so that I may improve. Thank you. __________________ It's fine.

11-24-2008, 02:44 PM	#2
NONE_too_SOFT Chopstix / \ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Akron OH Moto: 03 CBR RR Posts: 5,350	doesnt look like your getting your bum off the seat enough, and you look like you're leaning forward and not sticking your knee out there. kinda like your humpin your tank too close, crowding your body all up in the front. Last edited by NONE_too_SOFT; 11-24-2008 at 02:46 PM..

11-24-2008, 02:46 PM	#3
Switch dadbod Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East TN Posts: 1,215	I've heard that if you are putting more than 1 asscheek off the seat, its too much. __________________ It's fine.

11-24-2008, 02:50 PM	#5
azoomm moderator chick Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hill Country TX Moto: Pasta Rockets Posts: 8,917	I agree with NTS. Drop your elbow more... which will drop your shoulder and get you over. That will upright the bike more, which means more contact patch on your tires. If you look, you are at the WAAaaaaay edge of your tire - if you get your body over, and the bike up more... the contact will be better. This is so much easier to talk about in person rather than trying to type it __________________ We have enough youth. How about a fountain of "smart"? Come Play at the Track!! http://www.elitetrackdays.com

11-24-2008, 02:54 PM	#6
Switch dadbod Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East TN Posts: 1,215	Agreed that upper body needs to be off more. Disagree with not being on the tank. Sitting up is bad. __________________ It's fine.

11-24-2008, 02:49 PM	#4
NONE_too_SOFT Chopstix / \ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Akron OH Moto: 03 CBR RR Posts: 5,350	depends on where your ass is sliding off the seat though. the rear of the seat is almost twice as large as the front, and like i said you look crammed up on your tank.

11-24-2008, 03:15 PM	#9
lauralynne 667:Neighbor of the Beast Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Everett WA Moto: VTR1000, SV650, FZR400, CRF150 Posts: 1,403	get out from behind the windscreen - specifically your head - the rest will follow. Try lining up your eyes/head with where your mirrors WOULD be. __________________ WMRRA's slowest Expert! triathalete, mom, racer, rider, friend, sister, wife - all in one tidy package! Married my best friend 8/30/09

11-24-2008, 04:27 PM	#10
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	When you go around a turn to your left, centrifugal forces want to stand the bike up, and fling it off to the right. Your body weight is what keeps it down. Think of it as a tug of war against the centrifugal forces as essentially controlled by the throttle. The more you are leaned inside against these forces with your weight, the harder you can theoretically crank on the throttle without the bike actually standing up, and you flying up and over to the right. Just like in a tug of war with a rope, you lean away from the pull of the forces by increasing your angle relative to your inside most contact [fulcrum] point (in this case your inside footpeg) to maximize the effectiveness of your weight. In other words, the harder you're tugging that shit down towards the inside, the harder you can crank on the gas, and the faster you can go through the turn, the limiting factors then being essentially tire contact and adhesion. Yes, the more you hang off that shit like a desperate tug-of-war participant, the faster you can go, all other things being equal. Keeping the weight bias forward is essential if the bike is understeering, and when on throttle for exit, it will keep the back more tucked in. It's not so much one position, as a smooth arc motion. Lead with your forehead. __________________ Insert free thought here. Last edited by Avatard; 11-24-2008 at 04:34 PM..