Strict Abortion Measures Enacted in Oklahoma

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by Trip

Why is it never don't put your hole near a dick? You are just continuing the sexual inequality when you always refer to it in such a manner.

I'll give you that one. Really. It is possible for women to rape men. Highly unlikely, and quite improbable. But, possible.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by The Chi

And thats the crux of it right there. You have summed almost the whole argument in that very last sentence.

The problem isnt when its used as a viable solution, its when its used SOLEY as a destructive practice that is the real issue with abortion. Sadly, too many use is only as the latter.

Even when viable however it is still a horrible decision to have to make and the repercussions are long ranging.

The destructive process is something that would be considered by a pro lifer, not a pro choice person. I can't go into that debate here. It's a viable solution of birth control to a pro choicer.

Originally Posted by azoomm

I'll give you that one. Really. It is possible for women to rape men. Highly unlikely, and quite improbable. But, possible.

Very possible and there are many court cases to prove it.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by Trip

So what kind of risk would you give abortion? Is it only an option when life is at risk or is it an option whenever you just decide pregnancy just doesn't fit you? Either it is a viable solution with minimal risk or it is a destructive practice....

There is a physical risk to even carry a child to term... you understand that, right? So even if a woman decides to have the child and raise the child alone - she's still physically changed forever. So, the option for a man to decide he wants the child after birth but the mother does not - her body is changed [at the very least], and childbirth could kill her.

The decision process IS skewed. I didn't say it was fair, or that it should or should not be a certain way. All I know is my own personal experience - both through an abortion and raising children. *shrug* YMMV

[the chi]

Originally Posted by Trip

There are no physical ramifications, but a man will have to deal with a lot of mental ramifications of refusing to be part of a childs life. However, you have now just put weight on ending a child's life instead of just birth control. Abortion is either viable option of birth control or it's something more.

Where did I say anything about the reason for the abortion? I didnt. I simply stated it can be a viable option, I didnt give reasons as to what that might be, as that would depend on the individual. What you see as a bad reason may not seem like one to me.

As far as the mental, Im not denying a man wont have mental ramifications, I am simply stating they will (typically unless she's a callous whore who uses it as birth control) be NOWHERE near what a woman will go through.

[pauldun170]

One thing is for sure..
This thread gave me a hard on.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by azoomm

There is a physical risk to even carry a child to term... you understand that, right? So even if a woman decides to have the child and raise the child alone - she's still physically changed forever. So, the option for a man to decide he wants the child after birth but the mother does not - her body is changed [at the very least], and childbirth could kill her.

The decision process IS skewed. I didn't say it was fair, or that it should or should not be a certain way. All I know is my own personal experience - both through an abortion and raising children. *shrug* YMMV

I agree, that's why I went this way. The man doesn't have a choice if the baby is kept or not, because "it's the mother's body." His choice is if he wants to be involved or not if she decides to keep it. "It's her body."

Originally Posted by The Chi

Where did I say anything about the reason for the abortion? I didnt. I simply stated it can be a viable option, I didnt give reasons as to what that might be, as that would depend on the individual. What you see as a bad reason may not seem like one to me.

As far as the mental, Im not denying a man wont have mental ramifications, I am simply stating they will (typically unless she's a callous whore who uses it as birth control) be NOWHERE near what a woman will go through.

Why does she have to be a callous whore to use it as birth control? You don't have to be a callous whore for it to be a viable option. This is where that train of thought turns to that which belongs in the war room. It isn't a viable option if you feel that way.



This should be more accepted by women, this would reveal if the person you fucked is a douche or not. Do you really want to have a child or be with a man that will run from a pregnancy? Do you really think the relationship will be a good one?

Think of all the needless marriages that end in ugliness that would be saved by allowing the man to run and make your decision to terminate the pregnancy easier and spare all the pain that comes with all these fucked up situations.

A lot of women complain about all these dicks they have relationships and children with, well guess what, here is an opportunity to spare that.

[karl_1052]

Originally Posted by Trip

I agree, that's why I went this way. The man doesn't have a choice if the baby is kept or not, because "it's the mother's body." His choice is if he wants to be involved or not if she decides to keep it. "It's her body."



Why does she have to be a callous whore to use it as birth control? You don't have to be a callous whore for it to be a viable option. This is where that train of thought turns to that which belongs in the war room. It isn't a viable option if you feel that way.



This should be more accepted by women, this would reveal if the person you fucked is a douche or not. Do you really want to have a child or be with a man that will run from a pregnancy? Do you really think the relationship will be a good one?

Think of all the needless marriages that end in ugliness that would be saved by allowing the man to run and make your decision to terminate the pregnancy easier and spare all the pain that comes with all these fucked up situations.

A lot of women complain about all these dicks they have relationships and children with, well guess what, here is an opportunity to spare that.

But then what would they bitch about at the hair salon?

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

One issue regarding pay equity is frequently glossed over in surveys and studies; pregnancy. When a woman takes maternal leave, she essentially puts her career development on hold. She's still technically employed by the company, in whatever capacity, but isn't rising through the ranks. While she may have been with the company for 10 years, two+ of those may well have been effectively eliminated by maternal leave. This impacts income, when compared to a man in the same job and with the same perceived seniority.

With the advent of "parental leave" this may change, but it's going to take decades more before anything like parity is possible.

Not in the US. They only get 6 weeks mat leave.

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

But then what would they bitch about at the hair salon?



Not in the US. They only get 6 weeks mat leave.

that varies by state - there are leaves that extend beyond the 6 (or 8 for a c-section) for "bonding" in some states that are paid. CA and NJ are big ones and many companies have some form of Parental Leave that is paid.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by azoomm

I'll give you that one. Really. It is possible for women to rape men. Highly unlikely, and quite improbable. But, possible.

I call bullshit on that. I don't see how it would be at all possible for a woman to rape a man into orgasm if he was truly unwilling to have sex with her.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by The Chi

Nice try Homie.

Nice try on what? I never advocated any limits on women's rights.

I was only making a statement about how women are allowed to "get away" with many things just because they're the fairer sex. For example, Zsa Zsa Gabor slaps a police officer and doesn't get shit.....What would happen if a man did that? Or, a woman launches a tirade against their boss or against a customer, but isn't fired. What would happen to a man who did that? "Well she's a woman, and women are emotional" is the usual excuse......I've seen it all the time.

Or all the new drunk driving and sexual predator laws, where a woman who lost a child petitions to get a new law passed, and everyone votes yes, not necessarily because they think the law's great, but because they're afraid of the backlash from society (or their voters) if they argue against a grieving woman.

Or how courts are more likely to award custody to mothers...........Things might have changed, but it still seems like that's true.