How to hang off the bike

[OneSickPsycho]

That pic never gets old.

[ceo012384]

Originally Posted by jtemple

I have a question for you guys that have access to real twisties. What does the feedback from the bike feel like, when you're coming close to breaking a tire loose? You don't just suddenly lose it and lowside, do you? Is there some kind of warning that you're pushing it too far?

There's no knee-dragging going on in my neck of the woods, is why I ask. You'd have to break triple digits in a turn to get that low.

Short answer is yes, there is some warning, but that's only if you're riding correctly.

Kinda like trip said, it depends WHY you are losing traction.

If you're hanging off and your arms are nice and loose, you'll be losing traction literally due to the tire's limitations. In that case it is predictable and you'll feel the bike moving around a bit underneath you. That's another benefit of being loose is that you can easily feel what the bike is doing.

If you're putting pressure on the handlebars and the bike hits a little bump/crack and the front starts to move around, the gyroscope (wheel) can't correct itself because you're pressuring the handlebar... and BAM. You're down before you can say "tuck the front".


While dragging knee is a good gauge for lean angle (if you have a repeatable body position) and it just 'feels' right... it is not a good gauge of if you are at YOUR limits. With improper technique you will crash at a lean angle much smaller than that required to drag knee.

That's part of why I crashed in T3 last september... the tires were cold, and my handlebar pressure and tense upper body / arms didn't allow the bike to correct itself.

[Trip]

You can loose without notice while riding correctly, tires play an important role in this even when they are hot. Pilot powers have what I like to call a death rattle before they decide they have had enough. It kinda feels like vibration to let you know you are about to be on your ass. Qualifiers from my experience just start slipping. Corsa IIIs seem to follow the Qs line of thinking.

[Cutty72]

Originally Posted by Trip

You can loose without notice while riding correctly, tires play an important role in this even when they are hot. Pilot powers have what I like to call a death rattle before they decide they have had enough. It kinda feels like vibration to let you know you are about to be on your ass. Qualifiers from my experience just start slipping. Corsa IIIs seem to follow the Qs line of thinking.

My experience with Corsa III's they step out a bit, just enough to warn you, and if you don't correct what you are doing in like .2 seconds, they go all the would go all the way.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Cutty72

My experience with Corsa III's they step out a bit, just enough to warn you, and if you don't correct what you are doing in like .2 seconds, they go all the would go all the way.

They don't really warn you, they just start sliding, you can learn to control the sliding though. PPs vibrate before they start sliding as a warning.

[Cutty72]

Originally Posted by Trip

They don't really warn you, they just start sliding, you can learn to control the sliding though. PPs vibrate before they start sliding as a warning.

Good to know as PP's will be my next tire on the 1125, in an attempt to gain a couple thousand miles of wear.

[marko138]

Originally Posted by Cutty72

Good to know as PP's will be my next tire on the 1125, in an attempt to gain a couple thousand miles of wear.

What did you get out of the Corsa?

[Cutty72]

Originally Posted by marko138

What did you get out of the Corsa?

Rear was to the wear bars after 2900 miles, swapped it out before my track day.

Thinkin I'll get about the same out of this one, and then the front will be shot too.

[DLIT]

Because I'm getting faster, I'm getting more feedback from the tires. Usually the back moving a bit because I'm getting on the throttle sooner and a lil bit harder. I can feel it get a little lose. But good tires are good because they actually give you feedback (most times) and you can adjust. The few times I felt my front slide were pretty scary. Last time it happened was on 5/17 in the same corner my POTM was (100mph+). I felt it slide out 3 times during one corner at the same time. It was most likely due to me weighting the bars too much. Scared the shit outta me, but my tires held enough for me to recover. It took me all day to correct it and find the right line.

Originally Posted by Trip

They don't really warn you, they just start sliding, you can learn to control the sliding though. PPs vibrate before they start sliding as a warning.

This may be true to some people and false to some people. Not everybody feels the same about the same tire.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by DLIT

This may be true to some people and false to some people. Not everybody feels the same about the same tire.

true