Arizona bill would deny citizenship to children of illegal immigrants - Page 7

pauldun170 · 06-18-2010, 03:04 PM

Actually scratch that.
I better go re-school myself on 19th century US before schooling anyone else.

Papa_Complex · 06-18-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pauldun170

Actually scratch that.
I better go re-school myself on 19th century US before schooling anyone else.

Glad that you said it first

*EDIT* Don't stop looking until you get to the early 1920s.

pauldun170 · 06-18-2010, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Glad that you said it first

*EDIT* Don't stop looking until you get to the early 1920s.

Why, you found some legislation?
Share bitch SHARE!!!!!
I don't mind being proven wrong.

(I figured 1939 was the safe cutoff year since there was the chance that they might want to control influx during the depression)

Homeslice · 06-18-2010, 07:52 PM

All of a sudden Hillary is a voice on Justice Dept issues.......

Clinton comment on immigration law riles Ariz. gov
By AMANDA LEE MYERS, Associated Press Writer Amanda Lee Myers, Associated Press Writer Fri Jun 18, 2:45 am ET

PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer said Thursday she's angry over comments by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton that the Obama administration will sue the state over its new immigration law.

In a June 8 media interview in Ecuador that began circulating Thursday in the U.S., Clinton said President Barack Obama thinks the federal government should determine immigration policy and that the Justice Department "will be bringing a lawsuit against the act."

Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler on Thursday declined to say whether the department would sue and that "the department continues to review the law."

The department has been looking at the law for weeks for possible civil rights violations, with an eye toward a possible court challenge.

It's unclear why Clinton made the comment since it's not her area. She couldn't be reached Thursday for comment.

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Obama and Clinton have both made it clear that the administration opposes the law.

"I will defer to the Justice Department on the legal steps that are available and where they stand on the review of the law," Crowley said. "The secretary believes that comprehensive immigration reform is a better course of action."

Brewer, a Republican, said in a statement that "this is no way to treat the people of Arizona."

"To learn of this lawsuit through an Ecuadorean interview with the secretary of state is just outrageous," she said. "If our own government intends to sue our state to prevent illegal immigration enforcement, the least it can do is inform us before it informs the citizens of another nation."

Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman said the governor was "outraged" and that Clinton's comments make it appear that the Justice Department has decided to file suit.

"But she's confident that in the end, the state of Arizona, the citizens, will prevail," he said.

On April 23, Brewer signed what is considered the toughest legislation in the nation targeting illegal immigrants. It is set to go into effect July 29 pending multiple legal challenges and the Justice Department's review.

The law requires police investigating another incident or crime to ask people about their immigration status if there's a "reasonable suspicion" they're in the country illegally. It also makes being in Arizona illegally a misdemeanor, and it prohibits seeking day-labor work along the state's streets.

The law's stated intention is to drive illegal immigrants out of Arizona and discourage them from coming in the first place. It has outraged civil rights groups, drawn criticism from Obama and led to marches and protests organized by people on both sides of the issue.

The law's backers say Congress isn't doing anything meaningful about illegal immigration, so it's the state's duty to address the issue. Critics say it will lead to racial profiling and discrimination against Hispanics, and damage ties between police and minority communities.

Brewer met with Obama in the Oval Office about the law on June 3, telling him: "We want our border secured." Obama reiterated his objections to the law. Neither side appeared to give ground although both talked about seeking a bipartisan solution.

Other Arizona politicians, political candidates and activist groups were quick to weigh in on Clinton's remarks. U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Hayworth, who is challenging Sen. John McCain, called them appalling; attorney general candidates Tom Horne and Andrew Thomas also denounced them.

Joanne Lin, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, urged the administration to take swift action against the law.

___

Associated Press writers Jonathan J. Cooper and Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix and Matthew Lee in Washington contributed to this report.

Papa_Complex · 06-19-2010, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pauldun170

Why, you found some legislation?
Share bitch SHARE!!!!!
I don't mind being proven wrong.

(I figured 1939 was the safe cutoff year since there was the chance that they might want to control influx during the depression)

Well there's The Johnson Act, of 1921, but that's just off the top of my head.

pauldun170 · 06-19-2010, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Well there's The Johnson Act, of 1921, but that's just off the top of my head.

You sure about that one?
Wasn't that a reaction to the aftermath (up swell of immigrants) of WWI and whose intent was to limit dirty Eastern Europeans?

I could see how one could assume that people were tired of Italians but (from memory) looking at the act and going through some of the preceding laws the immigration policies sought to limit others.

The fact that it was % based on current population levels the Irish and Italians had nothing to worry about as their #'s in the US at the time resulted in favorable quotas compared to other countries.

"limited the annual number of immigrants to 3% of the number of foreign-born persons of most nationalities living in the USA in 1910."

you gonna make me research census #'s from 1910?
Jerk

pauldun170 · 06-18-2010, 03:07 PM

I'm all about dealing with illegals.

Its just that all the rhetoric being generated by it has lots of holes in it.
I simply don't like relying on assumptions.

Amorok · 06-20-2010, 06:53 PM

I don't think it matters where illegal immigrants come from, what they look lie or why they hopped the border. The issue is simple:

The priviledges and benefits of living in this country are a finite resource that are only renewed by the contributions of those who participate in the system which provides those services. If we continue to allow large numbers of people to enjoy the benefits of our system without contributing anything back to replenish it then evetually there WON'T BE ENOUGH OF IT FOR EVERYONE. If we continue to allow illegals to enjoy government services at the current rate without doing anything about it we're going to run out of everything, and those of us who pay in won't have anything to show for it. I can keep repeating myself but it won't matter, nodoys getting the point.

pauldun170 · 06-21-2010, 12:20 AM

Papa (not Goof2...that jackass is still stuck on the Mexican immigration topic)
I found this to be an interesting read
http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm

So far, searches for actual evidence of discrimination has turned up very little besides the same old anecdotes.

Papa_Complex · 06-21-2010, 10:00 AM

Nope, sorry. No idea. Pulled it off some random historical website.

06-21-2010, 10:00 AM	#10
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	Nope, sorry. No idea. Pulled it off some random historical website. __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/

06-18-2010, 07:52 PM	#4
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	All of a sudden Hillary is a voice on Justice Dept issues....... Clinton comment on immigration law riles Ariz. gov By AMANDA LEE MYERS, Associated Press Writer Amanda Lee Myers, Associated Press Writer Fri Jun 18, 2:45 am ET PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer said Thursday she's angry over comments by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton that the Obama administration will sue the state over its new immigration law. In a June 8 media interview in Ecuador that began circulating Thursday in the U.S., Clinton said President Barack Obama thinks the federal government should determine immigration policy and that the Justice Department "will be bringing a lawsuit against the act." Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler on Thursday declined to say whether the department would sue and that "the department continues to review the law." The department has been looking at the law for weeks for possible civil rights violations, with an eye toward a possible court challenge. It's unclear why Clinton made the comment since it's not her area. She couldn't be reached Thursday for comment. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Obama and Clinton have both made it clear that the administration opposes the law. "I will defer to the Justice Department on the legal steps that are available and where they stand on the review of the law," Crowley said. "The secretary believes that comprehensive immigration reform is a better course of action." Brewer, a Republican, said in a statement that "this is no way to treat the people of Arizona." "To learn of this lawsuit through an Ecuadorean interview with the secretary of state is just outrageous," she said. "If our own government intends to sue our state to prevent illegal immigration enforcement, the least it can do is inform us before it informs the citizens of another nation." Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman said the governor was "outraged" and that Clinton's comments make it appear that the Justice Department has decided to file suit. "But she's confident that in the end, the state of Arizona, the citizens, will prevail," he said. On April 23, Brewer signed what is considered the toughest legislation in the nation targeting illegal immigrants. It is set to go into effect July 29 pending multiple legal challenges and the Justice Department's review. The law requires police investigating another incident or crime to ask people about their immigration status if there's a "reasonable suspicion" they're in the country illegally. It also makes being in Arizona illegally a misdemeanor, and it prohibits seeking day-labor work along the state's streets. The law's stated intention is to drive illegal immigrants out of Arizona and discourage them from coming in the first place. It has outraged civil rights groups, drawn criticism from Obama and led to marches and protests organized by people on both sides of the issue. The law's backers say Congress isn't doing anything meaningful about illegal immigration, so it's the state's duty to address the issue. Critics say it will lead to racial profiling and discrimination against Hispanics, and damage ties between police and minority communities. Brewer met with Obama in the Oval Office about the law on June 3, telling him: "We want our border secured." Obama reiterated his objections to the law. Neither side appeared to give ground although both talked about seeking a bipartisan solution. Other Arizona politicians, political candidates and activist groups were quick to weigh in on Clinton's remarks. U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Hayworth, who is challenging Sen. John McCain, called them appalling; attorney general candidates Tom Horne and Andrew Thomas also denounced them. Joanne Lin, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, urged the administration to take swift action against the law. ___ Associated Press writers Jonathan J. Cooper and Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix and Matthew Lee in Washington contributed to this report.

06-20-2010, 06:53 PM	#8
Amorok Issukangitok Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Biloxi, MS Moto: '06 Suzuki Boulevard C50T Posts: 2,225	I don't think it matters where illegal immigrants come from, what they look lie or why they hopped the border. The issue is simple: The priviledges and benefits of living in this country are a finite resource that are only renewed by the contributions of those who participate in the system which provides those services. If we continue to allow large numbers of people to enjoy the benefits of our system without contributing anything back to replenish it then evetually there WON'T BE ENOUGH OF IT FOR EVERYONE. If we continue to allow illegals to enjoy government services at the current rate without doing anything about it we're going to run out of everything, and those of us who pay in won't have anything to show for it. I can keep repeating myself but it won't matter, nodoys getting the point.