Teaching newbies to ride.

[Rangerscott]

Sounds like a great "we can stick it to the customer" move.


I think every girl should know how to ride stick.....I mean drive stick. But some have to pay extra.

[wildchild]

i think if it's state mandated then it should be provided at minimal cost by said state. hmmm safety would then seem more important then profit.

[Trip]

The class is very geared toward riding a cruiser. You even learn mostly on cruisers or a dual sport if you are lucky. Body position, handling, braking, and you know the basic performance qualities of the bike vary completely. It would be nice to learn on someething similar to what you will be riding.

I took the class and if I were to teach someone, I would use some of the basic lessons I picked up to teach someone, but I would also add a lot that isn't cover that should be essential for street riding.

I think some people get a false sense of being ready for the street after the class when that is far from the truth.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Trip

It would be nice to learn on someething similar to what you will be riding.


I think some people get a false sense of being ready for the street after the class when that is far from the truth.

so MSF should put people on 600SS bikes to learn on? lol, i've had students wheelie the 125s, IN A BRAKING EXERCISE........

true. but many also learn on their own figuring as they go along and hit the streets , so which is a better option?

and i and many inst. tell students that now "they're parking lot certified"

[Trip]

I unlike msf would just refuse to teach someone that couldn't handle basic control.

I would probably give the first lesson on controls with my fiddy. Its more responsive at low speed than a sportbike.

Msf isn't the end all be all of moto training. Sorry it just isn't worth the money if you have someone who can train you just as easily unless you can recoup the costs.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Trip

I unlike msf would just refuse to teach someone that couldn't handle basic control.

I would probably give the first lesson on controls with my fiddy. Its more responsive at low speed than a sportbike.

Msf isn't the end all be all of moto training. Sorry it just isn't worth the money if you have someone who can train you just as easily unless you can recoup the costs.

you teaching people once in a while includes "oh yeah, you need to learn to do this" "and another thing you need to do is" and so on, you have no regimented routine, it's off the cuff.

is the MSF the only way to learn, NO, but it's better then you or any other person throwing out there personnal idea's. and who's to say you or another home schooled teacher is teaching the right technique. trust me, not everybody is as good as you are. i've heard of people teaching rear brakes only.

http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/hurt.html

a synopsis of the hurt report

"22. The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents. "

Originally Posted by Rangerscott

I've never heard of a customer having to pay for damage at a "learning" msf course.

no the students wouldn't pay up front, but the cost of overhead has gone up to replace plastics, who's gonna end up paying?

[Trip]

Originally Posted by RACER X

you teaching people once in a while includes "oh yeah, you need to learn to do this" "and another thing you need to do is" and so on, you have no regimented routine, it's off the cuff.

is the MSF the only way to learn, NO, but it's better then you or any other person throwing out there personnal idea's. and who's to say you or another home schooled teacher is teaching the right technique. trust me, not everybody is as good as you are. i've heard of people teaching rear brakes only.

http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/hurt.html

a synopsis of the hurt report

"22. The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents. "

no the students wouldn't pay up front, but the cost of overhead has gone up to replace plastics, who's gonna end up paying?

Yes, because you know my teaching methods... nice ASSumption there buddy.

I am a freakin engineer, and to add to that I am a freakin engineer that works in the nuclear industry. If anything, I don't do anything off the cuff. I write procedures on how to turn a screw driver. I can guarantee if I decided to teach someone, they would get a more rigorous training than MSF to the point where they would be telling me to shut up and let them ride already.

MSF is very basic training. It's nothing that spectacular or revolutionary and most people on this board can give the same type or better of training if they put their heads into it. As you said, you are just parking lot trained. There is still a lot to learn and you will need those same friends to get you to the point where you are comfortable being on the road.

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by Trip

As you said, you are just parking lot trained.

I wonder if he's even house trained.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Trip

I am a freakin engineer, and to add to that I am a freakin engineer that works in the nuclear industry. If anything, I don't do anything off the cuff. I write procedures on how to turn a screw driver. I can guarantee if I decided to teach someone, they would get a more rigorous training than MSF to the point where they would be telling me to shut up and let them ride already.

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so, my parents are engineers and i work(ed) w/ alongside them all day long, and we design/build plants that go BOOM also.

my B-I-L is also a technical writer, he writes manuels on how to turn screws too, but he's not an engineer.

all talk no action and yes you're right, it's not hard to teach (i'm proof) but it's been thought out over 40 something yrs w/ alot of diff. people involved. vs you and ? yrs of riding.

all i see is talk from you about how you'd do, but it reality it's talk and you haven' done anything but that.........everybody knows better but has never done it.

like i said, is it an end all to training, NO, but it is a good foundation, sure you can do better, prove it.

[RACER X]

this is fact:

"22. The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents. "

your results may vary.