Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by shmike

This is really more of a Homeslice question.

It's not how they look as much how they accessorize.

Dirty jeans and an undershirt says: I work outdoors.

Add in a leaf blower, weed whacker or mop and bucket: instant illegal.

Also, stanidng up while riding in the back of a landscape truck is a dead give away.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by shmike

This is really more of a Homeslice question.

It's not how they look as much how they accessorize.

Dirty jeans and an undershirt says: I work outdoors.

Add in a leaf blower, weed whacker or mop and bucket: instant illegal.

Also, stanidng up while riding in the back of a landscape truck is a dead give away.

This.

The odds climb to 99.999% if it's an 80's Nissan Hardbody or Mazda B2000 with blue smoke coming out the tailpipe.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

This.

The odds climb to 99.999% if it's an 80's Nissan Hardbody or Mazda B2000 with blue smoke coming out the tailpipe.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

This.

The odds climb to 99.999% if it's an 80's Nissan Hardbody or Mazda B2000 with blue smoke coming out the tailpipe.

When I was in Houston the common mode of transportation was a former UHaul truck (outline of company stickers still visible) with the roll up door open and a half dozen guys and lawn equipment in the back.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by goof2

No because California requires you to prove your legal presence in the United States to get a drivers license or state ID.

My mistake, I thought they had passed that law.

Originally Posted by goof2

The cop would need one of two reasons to pull that person over. The first is the cop having a reason to question a person's immigration status other than that person being Hispanic. I'm not sure how they would do this while driving.

Neither is anyone else.

Originally Posted by goof2

The second would be pulling them over for any other lawful reason (busted taillight, weaving, speeding, expired registration).

I don't see anything in the statute that requires any more than a "reasonable suspicion" that the subject may be here illegally.

JC

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Sure it is.

It's pulling someone over with no probable cause, other than a preconceived bias against a certain group of people.

Spin it anyway you want, it's the same thing.

JC

You can only pull over someone if they have commited a cirme or an infraction. The law clearly states this. If the officer pulls people over soley because they are brown, then makes up an excuse it is no different then them planting drugs on a suspect. It's not ethical.

Read the law. It is a mirror of the federal law which states that all persons who have committed a federal crime must have a citizenship check. Also, IIRC, 42 other states have adopted the federal law into state law. The only reason this is even coming up is becuase the feds failed to protect the borders of AZ.

IMO...fuck CA for boycotting AZ and good for AZ for taking a stance. I'll have to go buy a generator now....

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

You can only pull over someone if they have commited a cirme or an infraction. The law clearly states this.

No, it does not.

It states that they may check status during any "Lawful Contact".

Don't waste your time Googling a legal definition of "Lawful Contact", because there isn't one. It's a made up term, and it doesn't mean dick.

For all you or I know, asking someone if they want a delicious cookie, is "Lawful Contact".

JC

[goof2]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Neither is anyone else.

I already posted the relevant section of this law. It clearly states that a cop cannot stop someone (while driving or anywhere else) and ask for proof of legal immigration status based solely on ,color, or national origin. The source of our unsurety is they aren't allowed pull that person over. What it would take in addition to that person looking Hispanic, I don't know. That will be balanced between cop's judgment and judicial interpretation.

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

I don't see anything in the statute that requires any more than a "reasonable suspicion" that the subject may be here illegally.

JC

Restating what I said above, it requires "reasonable suspicion" based on something other than race, color, or national origin. Homeslice's statement was "Now it could be just because they're Hispanic". Not only are the cops not able to do so, this law specifically prohibits the cops from doing so.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by goof2

I already posted the relevant section of this law. It clearly states that a cop cannot stop someone (while driving or anywhere else) and ask for proof of legal immigration status based solely on ,color, or national origin. The source of our unsurety is they aren't allowed pull that person over. What it would take in addition to that person looking Hispanic, I don't know. That will be balanced between cop's judgment and judicial interpretation.



Restating what I said above, it requires "reasonable suspicion" based on something other than race, color, or national origin. Homeslice's statement was "Now it could be just because they're Hispanic". Not only are the cops not able to do so, this law specifically prohibits the cops from doing so.

We have cute little policies against racial profiling here in NYC.
There is always some reason that can be used to pull someone over if you really wanna pull them over.

[pauldun170]

Any thoughts on Arizona House Bill 2281.
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/hb2281s.pdf