Vicious Pit Bulls and Kitties don't mix...

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

You must realize that I am kidding. Some people think that there is no such thing as a bad dog. I disagree. Did you all know that Pits and Rots account for 67% of all fatal dog attacks? That isn't "media bias" it's a fact pulled from a govt database.

And, everyone knows breeds my dog was called a pit. She's a BLACK LAB. She was attacked by a terrier - the guy from animal control saw her for about 30 seconds then told someone in a statement she was pit.

Hokie, no offense meant - but terriers have serious little dog syndrome of strike first mentality. I'm not a fan.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by azoomm

And, everyone knows breeds my dog was called a pit. She's a BLACK LAB. She was attacked by a terrier - the guy from animal control saw her for about 30 seconds then told someone in a statement she was pit.

Hokie, no offense meant - but terriers have serious little dog syndrome of strike first mentality. I'm not a fan.

Okay, so every attack the animal control is called to, the ANIMAL CONTROL officers get the breed wrong? Right...I pulled that number from their database. No I'm not saying they are perfect but how often would you think that they are wrong? 50%? So ONLY a third(33%) of fatal attacks involve just 2 breeds? Oh yea that's much better.

Yea, I'm way over little dogs! Terriers are breed to be aggressive as well, aren't they? I don't know, I'm just fucking with y'all now! Shit, the most vicious dogs I've ever seen were a Chihuahua and a Pomeranian!!! In my experience, little dogs are assholes most of the time!

[the chi]

Wow. this thread has REALLY kept going.

I gotta say, I am in agreement with both sides. I do think that PB's have a bad rap, but also for a good reason in most cases. Poor owners are to blame for many of the actions dogs take, simply because the owner isnt "Alpha", hasnt learned the warning signs, or failed to nip things in the bud before they became an issue.

At one time I had 6 dogs, Shepard, Collie, Lab Mix, Jack Russell and 2 Papillons. My Jack was by far the most aggressive, but would never harm a person, but my shepard would eat you alive if you appeared to threaten me or the home, but at a single command from me she would heel and refrain from doing anything. I was the alpha member of the pack and every one of my dogs knew it. I rarely had to discipline or punish, my voice was more than enough to keep them in line. But I spent extensive time training them.

Now, 16 yr old "Bobby" with the beautiful red pit and her fancy spiked collar who is alternately yelled at, then petted and praised and always confused about her status, well, who can blame her for her poor training when she hasnt even learned acceptable behavior. Or the idiots who think its "cute" to sic their dogs on other animals or toys that resemble babies, puppies, kittens, etc.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Triple

Have you met many animal control officers?

Your stats fail to paint the whole picture. You are less likely to be attacked by a pit bull than many, MANY other breeds and mixes of dogs. Pit bulls and breeds like them are just more likely to seriously mess you up when they do attack, because they are much more powerful, relentless animals than labs, retrievers, etc.

I've been on the receiving end of attacks from all sorts of canines (almost all of which were my fault, I'll add), and it's much easier to ward off a big lab than it is an extemely determined bully breed. When a poorly socialized pit bull (or a pit bull minus its owner) decides to attack, there isn't much short of knocking it unconscious that will make it stop. That said, most bully breeds I've encountered weren't aggressive in the first place.

Man this is like a gun control argument... it's never going to be the dog is it? 67% out of the what, hundreds of breeds, not to mention the mixes that DON'T get called out as pits...if you're ready to say they can be wrong one way, you have to be aware that they can call the breed wrong and NOT name it a pit after an incident.

What's killing me, one side says it's the owner's fault when dogs are bad. Hokie is saying that her parent's dog attacks other dogs but it's not the dog's or her parent's fault. You are almost saying that it's the person who gets attacked fault, and to top it off you think that animal control officers are idiots and more that 50% incorrect in their breed identifications.

I guess I'm confused, when a dog bites is it;

a. the owner's fault
b. the dog's fault/temperament/breed
c. the victim's fault
d. Cesar Milan's for making a bunch of suckers believe that they can own potentially dangerous animals without incident if they hold their collars a certain way.

Come on, I'm sure that we can all understand that it's a combination of a, b, and c (maybe a little of d as well ) You can't just rule out the possibility that if Hokie's parents had owned a different dog (possibly even a pit) that the situation might be different and incident-less. That if the trailer trash had owned a poodle that the baby would still have it's toes. I honestly believe that dogs have individual personalities just like people and like people different types have different strengths and characteristics, in general. Stereotypes suck BUT they rarely just get started without any reason whatsoever.

[HokieDNA01]

Oh I know Terriers are aggressive..they were bred for one reason...to kill.

And not all terriers are small so the "small dog syndrome" doesn't really apply. She is about the size of a pitbull. Not as muscular....but as tall or taller. My mom wanted her because she is "hypoallergenic". She is a good dog, just needs extra care in handling. I wouldn't call her a bad dog. Just proving the point that "mean" pits are not the only aggressive dogs out there. Sometimes the cute ones are too.

[Ninjakel]

american pit bull terrier

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Ninjakel

american pit bull terrier

Terriers are the devil and are bred to kill!

[the chi]

Originally Posted by shmike

Terriers are the devil and are bred to kill!

Stereotyper!!

Hey Kel, you ever hear anyone refer to their Pit as a Staffordshire Terrier?

[Ninjakel]

Staffie's are very very similar, but a different breed. They tend to be a bit smaller. Their heads are a bit different too.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by Ninjakel

Staffie's are very very similar, but a different breed. They tend to be a bit smaller. Their heads are a bit different too.

Is that because they don't have peoples arms hanging out of them?

JC