In Job Hunt, College Degree Can’t Close Racial Gap

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by z06boy

I didn't find out from the HR department directly...all I got WAS a letter from them which is the norm. I just always wondered about it since the two people that got hired took the physical fitness test at the same time and I smoked both of them that day. I didn't know about the aptitude test results until several years later and again I beat both.

Someone that worked at that company I met a few years later through a mutual friend and that's how I found out. He remembered me and we had a talk about it and confirmed what I already had assumed.

Bottom line was "we had to hire them but we didn't have to hire you".

Let me say that that post wasn't directed at you. Just an observation based on quite a few idiots I've know over the years.



(Maybe the black guy got the Job because he has actual qualifications vs your string of firings and community college degree? )
-actual thought in head that I kept to myself as individual bitched about not getting a job at a place where I used to work.

[z06boy]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Let me say that that post wasn't directed at you. Just an observation based on quite a few idiots I've know over the years.



(Maybe the black guy got the Job because he has actual qualifications vs your string of firings and community college degree? )
-actual thought in head that I kept to myself as individual bitched about not getting a job at a place where I used to work.

Gotcha.

I know what you mean...I didn't get the job because I am black...because I'm a woman...because I'm Latino...because I'm Asian...because of my age...because of Affirmative Action...NO IT'S BECAUSE YOU JUST WERN'T GOOD ENOUGH !!!!

I've heard this so much through the years when people didn't get what they thought they deserved.

Sadly in some...but not in most cases it is true and that really sucks.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by z06boy

Gotcha.

I know what you mean...I didn't get the job because I am black...because I'm a woman...because I'm Latino...because I'm Asian...because of my age...because of Affirmative Action...NO IT'S BECAUSE YOU JUST WERN'T GOOD ENOUGH !!!!

I've heard this so much through the years when people didn't get what they thought they deserved.

Sadly in some...but not in most cases it is true and that really sucks.

I don't really hear much about AA anymore, I guess because I don't really pay attention and all of my friends and associates have stable careers.

HOWEVER, the big thing I here nowadays is about the pay gap between men and women.

That drives me nuts....

You took a year of for maternity leave...OF COURSE the guy that started the same day as you is now pulling in more. While you were home he was making the company money.

"Well I shouldn't be penalized for having family!!"

You shouldn't BE REWARDED for not being here.....ashole!!!

"It's sexism and a mans world...your a sexist!!"

You are a fucking idiot and now I understand why Bob\BIll Joe\Tom\Dick\Harry got the promotion and you didn't.

[z06boy]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

I don't really hear much about AA anymore, I guess because I don't really pay attention and all of my friends and associates have stable careers.

HOWEVER, the big thing I here nowadays is about the pay gap between men and women.

That drives me nuts....

You took a year of for maternity leave...OF COURSE the guy that started the same day as you is now pulling in more. While you were home he was making the company money.

"Well I shouldn't be penalized for having family!!"

You shouldn't BE REWARDED for not being here.....ashole!!!

"It's sexism and a mans world...your a sexist!!"

You are a fucking idiot and now I understand why Bob\BIll Joe\Tom\Dick\Harry got the promotion and you didn't.

Yep I hear ya...I do hear that alot too.

My particular situation was in the early 80's and I agree I almost never hear about AA these days either.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by z06boy

Yep I hear ya...I do hear that alot too.

My particular situation was in the early 80's and I agree I almost never hear about AA these days either.

A few months ago I listened to some women go on for about 20 minutes about how she found out a guy that started around the same time as she did for type of job was pulling in 8,000 more than she was. She saw it with her own eyes!!!

She had a group of other women around her giving her the nodded heads and shared outrage....

My questions that got me more dirty looks than a fart at the wedding alter:

During the salary negotiation process, how much did you ask for?
(blank stare)

How did his work experience compare to your work experience...did you see his resume?
(angry blank stare)

You both have been working there for whatever years....have you both worked on the same caliber projects?
(The entire group of women start repeating that it is unfair that women make less than men....completely ignoring my questions)

[z06boy]

Your questions are 100% legit but they didn't want to hear/consider that.

My wife actually makes more than I do and works in Human Resorces. We don't do the same job...we don't have the same formal education...blah..blah...blah...good for her.

When we met I found out she worked for a contracted company that the company I work for used for payroll. Well I knew right off that I couldn't BS her about what I made.

[EpyonXero]

Originally Posted by CrazyKell

RDT&E i think is Research and Design um....Technology and Engineering? Or something along those lines no?

Sorry, I was in acronym mode. Research, Development, Testing & Evaluation.

[CrazyKell]

Originally Posted by EpyonXero

Sorry, I was in acronym mode. Research, Development, Testing & Evaluation.

Damnit I knew that.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

101 thinks it can't be true, since there's no hard data. There's no hard data, because unlike 101, most racists are blatantly honest about it.

Pointing out that SOME black people get hired because they are black makes you racist? Its a truth, not a racist statement. AA is bullshit.

[Homeslice]

Some of you guys like to think Human Resources doesn't bother targeting a specific race. But they do. It happens at thousands of companies. They actively recruit at mostly-Black schools, they develop relationships with Black clubs & organizations, etc. etc......

Here is my problem with it. What if the only reason that only 2% of people who work in a certain field are Black, or Hispanic or whatever, IS SIMPLY BECUASE THOSE PEOPLE JUST AREN'T INTERESTED IN THAT FIELD, AND DIDN'T MAJOR IN THAT SUBJECT AT SCHOOL??? AND IF SO, WHY SHOULD WE BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO TRY AND HIRE MORE OF THEM??