Watch out Cali folk...

[Twobanger]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

And perhaps......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=8QjZY3WiO9s

No! That video is a farce. The "bad guy" knows who is armed in advance and where they are in the class. It's bullshit. There's a guy that was in that video that posted on arf that he traded places and was across the room from where the CHL holder was supposed to be in the skit. When the bad guy broke in he got him. That ended up on the cutting room floor.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Twobanger

No! That video is a farce. The "bad guy" knows who is armed in advance and where they are in the class. It's bullshit. There's a guy that was in that video that posted on arf that he traded places and was across the room from where the CHL holder was supposed to be in the skit. When the bad guy broke in he got him. That ended up on the cutting room floor.

Seems to me that they were chopping up random people until the "armed defender" showed him or herself.

Yeah, and the AR-15 forum is the heart and soul of impartiality

The premise of that video is sound, given all of the studies regarding armed interaction. Admittedly it was roughly 25 years ago (read it around the time that I got out of college) but a former military man and police commander did a study of police gunfights and determined that on balance they took place at something less than 20 feet, emptied the weapons, and rarely resulted in injury by gunshot. And THAT involved people who were trained for it.

[Twobanger]

An active participants testimony doesn't count now because of where he posted it?

Police in America aren't nearly as trained as you think they are. http://forums.officer.com/t9835/ Some shoot as little as twice a year. That's why you see some of those outrageous round count to hit ratios. Shooting quickly and accurately is a quickly perishable skill.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Twobanger

An active participants testimony doesn't count now because of where he posted it?

Police in America aren't nearly as trained as you think they are. http://forums.officer.com/t9835/ Some shoot as little as twice a year. That's why you see some of those outrageous round count to hit ratios. Shooting quickly and accurately is a quickly perishable skill.

You're also assuming that he was an actual participant

The point isn't that police are frequently under-trained, but that the average civilian is completely UN-trained.

[RACER X]

lol



$1mil bounty and drone's look for his ass.....

[goof2]

Originally Posted by RACER X

lol

Funny, it would be funnier if it didn't make sense to do that.

[LeeNetworX]

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by RACER X

lol



$1mil bounty and drone's look for his ass.....

[Twobanger]

Human shield

[pauldun170]

another officer?

“My Former LAPD Officer Joe Jones MANIFESTO… I know most of you who personally who me are in disbelief of the partial story I will tell today. A story that has been suppressed for about 18 years, But lives strong everyday of my life. I without hesitation would like to send my condolences to the Victims who were lost and their families during this tragic situation. I would also like to send my condolences and well wishes to the many former and current Officers, as well as …Citizen’s and their families who lost the lives and souls of loved one’s to the injustices of Police Corruption, Scandal, Lies, Deception and Brutality.

Unlike Former Officer Dorner, I fear dying; But I also fear living in a society where Innocent people are dying for no reason. A society where pain so great can be afflicted to people who have to desire to live right and treat people right and then be punished for doing right. They say we all look alike. In very few cases this of course is true. But in most cases it is not. I feel a resemblance to Dorner, (See Photos) However several people who have no resemblance to Dorner have been shot due to the fear of what is taking place. I DO NOT WANT TO BE SHOT FOR CRIMES I DID NOT COMMIT!. Neither does anyone else. To preface my story I will say this: Just like former Officer Christopher Dorner I used to smile a lot. I loved everyone. I was voted Friendliest Senior of my Sr. Class in High School. I always believed in the system and never got into any trouble. I loved hard and gave to all I could.

After Joining the LAPD in 1989 I quickly found out that the world and society had major flaws. I had flaws as well for ever believing that our system of government was obligated to do the right thing. his is what I believed as a young Officer. Without going into major detail, I need you to first assume that I would not surface 16 years later with lies about a situation that has me with PTSD to this very day. The pain forces me to speak as I have yet to shake the Ill’s of my experience as an LAPD Officer. Of course I have moved on physically. But mentally and emotionally I still live with flaws. I can’t go into re-living the emotions of what I went through so I will say this. I had my home viciously attacked by a gunman with my family and myself inside the house. No arrests were made and my family and I Received very little support. I had my Civil Rights violated on several occasions. I was falsely arrested at gunpoint by the Sheriffs as an Officer who ID’d himself and was conspired against by both LAPD and the Sheriffs when my Civil case went to Trial.

I was falsely accused on more than one occasion and simply placed in a position that the trust was so compromised that I could no longer wear the Uniform. Also know there were many more episodes. All of these issues are well documented and I present them not to be a Whistle blower, However to hope that one would not assume that all of what is being said is Lies as presented by Dorner. I don’t know him, But I know me. I will say from my experience, If a person knows they were wrong it is easier to move on without anger. Seems that Dorner obviously could not move on… Could I just be content and move on with my life and not say anything? Yes…Then I would feel that I for once had my chance to speak on something that hurts me to this day and I did nothing to arouse thought or provoke reform.

This is what I hope comes from this whole situation: 1. Families that lost someone to this tragedy find the peace that only God can give at this terrible time. 2. Citizens of Los Angeles be mindful of this fearful time to be an Officer and comply vigorously so that you are not the victim of an Officer on high alert. 3. Government and Politicians please be diligent in the responsibility of creating Laws that protect those who could be the victim of a conspiracy. Never allow the door to be shut on the Truth. 4. Honest and Fair LAPD & All Agencies: Keep doing what you are doing to protect citizens and be safe while you are doing so. We need you and I would hope that you do not allow the Bureaucratic drama and Stress to kill your morale as I know it can. 5. Unethical LAPD & all Agencies: Whatever is was that lead you down this path, Pray to somebody’s God to forgive you and begin to remove unethical methods to your policing style.

Always think what if it were you, How would you feel?..How would you like if you were falsely accused and your life, lively-hood and career was taken from you? How would you like if someone was beating on you just because they felt they could get away with it? You are no better the criminals you took and oath to arrest when you do what you do! 6. Chistopher Dorner. The 1st thing I would say to him is, I feel your pains!…But you are going about this the wrong way. To take innocent lives could never be the answer to anything. I say this as a Man who experienced the same pain, betrayal, anger, suffering, litigation and agony that you did in many ways, Only I didn’t get Fired. I just choose to go a different route. My heart still suffered that same shock, I was still left to try and put the pieces back together. The disbelief that people could conspire and cause you to loose something you loved so dearly was still there. I lost my Career, I lost my Family, I lost my Dignity, I lost my Trust…But I am here now to hopefully one day see change…Bro, Don’t kill anymore Innocent people. Your point has been made. Clearly. They know you mean business, The whole world knows. Refrain from any further wrong doing and do what you must to salvage your Soul. Whatever that means to you. Just remember that God is a forgiving God. In conclusion I say to people who knew none of this about me that one day I will have to reflect on when was the time to speak. When I see the potential for innocent lives to be lost…The time is Now!…JJ”