Student quits high school choir over Islamic song

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

I believe that the oldest written documents, that pertain to this discussion, are the Dead Sea Scrolls. Their existence would point to other, older works and probably oral history, in the region. Who knows? The whole thing might devolve unto Zoroastrianism and the worship of Ahura Mazda, in Iran, but it's clear that the three stated religions hold the Old Testament in high regard.

Gotcha.

I was thinking that the Koran was as old or older than the bible.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by shmike

Gotcha.

I was thinking that the Koran was as old or older than the bible.

See edit.

The Koran starts around 600AD (CE, whatever the current vogue is).

The New Testament, by definition, can't really start until around year zero.

The Torah has its origins back almost three thousand years, at the least.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

See edit.

The Koran starts around 600AD (CE, whatever the current vogue is).

The New Testament, by definition, can't really start until around year zero.

The Torah has its origins back almost three thousand years, at the least.

Yep, it was an oral history of sorts that was recited in the tents and around campfires. It is the basis for all modern mono-theistic religions. There is some evidence of an older middle eastern one god religion that predates the worship of Yahweh and it even sports a flood story and a very similar creation story... The name of it eludes me though.

[Papa_Complex]

It's in "The Gilgamesh". I just pulled out my copy, to confirm it.

Many religions have a flood myth though.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

It's in "The Gilgamesh". I just pulled out my copy, to confirm it.

Many religions have a flood myth though.

True.... One theory is that the "first" religion was started at the mouth of the Tigress and Euphrates river which periodically flooded. It's either that or there really was an almost world wide flood....

[Papa_Complex]

Think about what would happen, at the end of an ice age. Given the screwed up calendaring system they obviously used in The Bible, 40 days and 40 nights could be a few thousand years.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Think about what would happen, at the end of an ice age. Given the screwed up calendaring system they obviously used in The Bible, 40 days and 40 nights could be a few thousand years.

Hmmmm..... not a lot of "ice age" going on in the Middle East...

If you ever wonder what happened EXACTLY during the ice age and afterwards....

http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...during-ice-age

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Man, this is the real problem.... No one really studies religion anymore. Yahweh, Allah and God are the same person. There is no question. Both are off-shoots of the Israelite mono-theistic religion. Which in turn has been theorized as a modification of an older middle eastern religion that can be traced back to Mesopotamia or the "cradle of civilization". Moreover, Jesus never started a "religion", he preached a slightly different, "reformed" version of Judaism but he still considered himself a Jew. His followers actually started "Christianity" and Rome took the ball and ran away with it. Some of you would argue that Catholics and Lutherans have a different God. Oh and btw basically all religions are "rip offs" of each other. There are elements of the older "pagan" religions in Judaism and a great deal of Catholic rituals were "borrowed" from "pagan" religions to better assimilate them. Even the original Roman religion was little more than a direct "rip off" of older Greek beliefs.

All anyone pays attention to is that women are "forced" to do or not do things. Oh, and it's different then MY religeon so it must be wrong.

It's the dont you tell me what to do mentality of today. Don't try to muddle things up with logic.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by azoomm

All anyone pays attention to is that women are "forced" to do or not do things. Oh, and it's different then MY religeon so it must be wrong.

It's the dont you tell me what to do mentality of today. Don't try to muddle things up with logic.

Yea I just am amazed at the absolute lack of knowledge on religion being displayed.... When a Muslim calls out to "God" he is calling out to the same God Moses prayed to and the Pope prays to. Even the principles are similar...in fact, some of the most radical principles of Islam were also practiced by ancient Jews and even some factions of Christianity. What's funny to me is that basically, the "reformers" were people that a. didn't like all the rules and b. wanted it to be easier to get into heaven.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Hmmmm..... not a lot of "ice age" going on in the Middle East...

If you ever wonder what happened EXACTLY during the ice age and afterwards....

http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...during-ice-age

No, not a lot of ice in the Middle East. I was talking about water. The Tigris and Euphrates, and Nile valleys under a hundred feet of water, to be specific