Solar, electric cars, batteries, and making money without trying. - Page 5

Trip · 07-21-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20003421-54.html

"BYD has also designed grid storage units that can store power made at off-peak times for local distribution."

Now, add that technology to the solar panel systems that sell unused power back to the grid, you you MAY being to understand WTF it is I'm speaking of.

I say you CAN "game" the fucking system, and make money with a bank of nothing more than batteries, by selling the current back at peak hours.

Now, I just wanna know where the break-even mark is, and whether it's practical.

Now, if anyone who actually knows what the fuck it is I'm even talking about can help with the idea, please do, if not, please stop telling me how fucking stupid "I" am.

God damn, how many times do I have to say it. Captain gets it. The grid will still have to need it, to actually use it. These tractor trailer systems are peakers. They use them during peak times in areas that NEED peakers. Does your area need peakers? This is information you haven't told me or know for yourself. Find out more about your area, does your utility need the power or is it selling power to other utilities. If it is selling more than it is buying, there is a good chance you won't be providing all of the juice from your batteries to a load that will make you money. Your amperage doesn't just get magically used and the company pays you for it. It needs a computer, a air conditioner, a toaster, etc... for it to be consumed.

The biggest bang for your buck will come from somewhere that has issues providing power to it's customers and relies on buying from outside. New York City is a prime spot that just devours power.

pauldun170 · 07-21-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip

God damn, how many times do I have to say it. Captain gets it. The grid will still have to need it, to actually use it. These tractor trailer systems are peakers. They use them during peak times in areas that NEED peakers. Does your area need peakers? This is information you haven't told me or know for yourself. Find out more about your area, does your utility need the power or is it selling power to other utilities. If it is selling more than it is buying, there is a good chance you won't be providing all of the juice from your batteries to a load that will make you money. Your amperage does just get magically used and the company pays you for it. It needs a computer, a air conditioner, a toaster, etc... for it to be consumed.

Trip · 07-21-2010, 11:36 PM

she scares me

pauldun170 · 07-21-2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip

she scares me

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1073822AAoGIJX

Flexin · 07-21-2010, 11:39 PM

If there is an affordable system that can provide more then what you can use and your in an area that can use it then that might work. If the system can be set to use off peak rates (I think here the off peak rates are just during the winter but I could be wrong) and then run your house from it using the cheap power you bought. That will save you some money there which doesn't put money in your pocket but it takes less out. Then you might make some off of power that is sold to the power company.

I think you said you wanted to not use it and just sell it but if your using it during peak times then is pretty much the same thing.

James

Trip · 07-21-2010, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Flexin

I think you said you wanted to not use it and just sell it but if your using it during peak times then is pretty much the same thing.

James

that would be correct, they pay you off a net meter. Any usage you had would be subtracted from what you put on the system. You would have to build a system that had the ability to offset your own usage. It could pay off if you invested a lot of money initially, had the ability to maintain it, and lived in a good area for it.

Trip · 07-21-2010, 11:53 PM

From your wiki article, you may need to read more and talk to more people about this as well.

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Net metering enables small systems to result in zero annual net cost to the consumer provided that the consumer is able to shift demand loads to a lower price time, such as by chilling water at a low cost time for later use in air conditioning, or by charging a battery electric vehicle during off-peak times, while the electricity generated at peak demand time can be sent to the grid rather than used locally (see Vehicle-to-grid). No credit is given for annual surplus production.

The last sentence is key.

Flexin · 07-21-2010, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip

that would be correct, they pay you off a net meter. Any usage you had would be subtracted from what you put on the system. You would have to build a system that had the ability to offset your own usage. It could pay off if you invested a lot of money initially, had the ability to maintain it, and lived in a good area for it.

I tried to get info on systems before not to sell power (but I did think about it at times) but to power a house. I would love to have a house on an island but I don't want to give up on any of my 'electronic toys". So the system would need make some good power and or store it. If it was more like a high end cottage then it would have time to charge up a system for the next visit but it would still need to make/have enough power to last during my stay. I don't think what I want (including the house) would be cheap because of what I want and where it would be.

I think that would have to be a lotto win house or save a shit load for retirement to build.

James

Homeslice · 07-21-2010, 11:28 PM

Point is: Just because you CAN sell something, doesn't mean someone NEEDS it. Your "right" to sell power is meaningless if the utility doesn't need it.

101lifts2 · 07-22-2010, 12:06 AM

Someone is getting seriously owned in this thread.

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07-21-2010, 11:39 PM	#5
Flexin AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,698	If there is an affordable system that can provide more then what you can use and your in an area that can use it then that might work. If the system can be set to use off peak rates (I think here the off peak rates are just during the winter but I could be wrong) and then run your house from it using the cheap power you bought. That will save you some money there which doesn't put money in your pocket but it takes less out. Then you might make some off of power that is sold to the power company. I think you said you wanted to not use it and just sell it but if your using it during peak times then is pretty much the same thing. James __________________ "Bust a nut inside your eye, to show you where I come from" "f youre horny, lets do it, Ride it, my pony, My saddles waitin, Come and jump on it, If youre horny, lets do it" "I'm not a playa I just fuck a lot" "Round two, I'm down to Do, what it takes to make you Understand I'm the Candyman And I melt in your mouth, not in your hands Hard as rock, yes I'm no sucka The boots I knock make me one bad mutha"

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07-21-2010, 11:28 PM	#9
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Point is: Just because you CAN sell something, doesn't mean someone NEEDS it. Your "right" to sell power is meaningless if the utility doesn't need it.