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07-21-2010, 07:00 PM | #1 | ||
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If you want to power your house, sure you can not pay the utility for the usage you use from your system. If the grid doesn't need your current, you won't be selling them anything. They don't have to buy something they don't need and not receiving. If no current is flowing from your house on to the grid, then you don't sell them anything. They aren't using your batteries. You can connect it to the grid, but if it's not used, it's not used. Essentially, you don't make money. Example time.... Independent generating peakers are usually online during the day and offline at night because the grid doesn't need them. If the grid isn't having a heavy usage day, like a cold front comes in during summer and people don't need the AC, then the independent peaker may not be needed that day and they won't sell anything. Knowing the usage and needs of your local grid is very important to understanding the profitability of your system. Batteries just don't dump their load at your wish and charge at your wish... You are not going to be base generation, you will be swing generation. Your selling and charging times will be dependent on the grid needs. So answering your question on profitability of your system without knowledge of what is going on over there is impossible.
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See this part right here "electric energy generated by that electric consumer from an eligible on-site generating facility and delivered to the local distribution facilities." Yeah, see that part "delivered" if your system isn't delivering power, you aren't getting paid. The grid decides when it will accept your power for it's use. Just cause you have a battery bank tied on, doesn't mean it's going to deliver the energy it holds on your whim. It will deliver it when the grid demands it. Knowing how the grid works is essential to knowing your profitability of the system.
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07-21-2010, 10:05 PM | #3 | |
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I am not from Missouri but you need to SHOW ME that F'in law in writing.
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07-21-2010, 07:26 PM | #4 |
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Trip, there are numerous systems running today (it's actually quite common) that sell current back to the grid. This isn't rocket surgery.
Cut the shit. Just say you don't know...
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07-21-2010, 07:35 PM | #5 | ||
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I need much more information to make any sort of guess. How much usage you use, how large a bank you are going to be using, the grid demands, and generation. Is it possible to save money? Yes, it's very possible to save money. Will you turn a profit over time after the cost of the sysem is canceled out? That's up in the air. I have no idea with the information you have given us. It's not a possible calculation. That's what makes power generation such a risky venture. If it's not rocket surgery, go get your EE degree and get a job in the field. Power sales and power prediction is a very demanding and lucrative job. Many many companies have failed to accurately do it.
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07-21-2010, 09:15 PM | #6 | |
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2. They probably charge you more for the night wattage then what they would pay you for the day wattage current you would be giving them. This is how a typical musician thinks ....and we wonder why 90% of buisnesses fail. lol
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07-21-2010, 10:02 PM | #7 |
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I'm the dumbass? That's rich. You're right about one thing though, you don't know shit.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20003421-54.html
"BYD has also designed grid storage units that can store power made at off-peak times for local distribution." Now, add that technology to the solar panel systems that sell unused power back to the grid, you you MAY being to understand WTF it is I'm speaking of. I say you CAN "game" the fucking system, and make money with a bank of nothing more than batteries, by selling the current back at peak hours. Now, I just wanna know where the break-even mark is, and whether it's practical. Now, if anyone who actually knows what the fuck it is I'm even talking about can help with the idea, please do, if not, please stop telling me how fucking stupid "I" am.
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07-21-2010, 10:24 PM | #9 | |
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However, they don't have to buy it back from you at peak just because you want to sell it to them at peak. That was trip's point, but apparently you can't understand that. Is it really THAT fucking difficult to understand? Just because YOU want to sell it at peak, doesn't mean it's going to be bought at peak. Does that make sense, or do I need to figure out a different way to say it? |
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07-21-2010, 10:29 PM | #10 | |
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That isn't a cheap system. I think you need to look at what Trip is saying. If your area has no problem making enough power there might not be anything to sell. Cali seems like a good place for something like this if they are still having energy problems. James
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