Who's ready for The Korean War Pt. 2?

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Razor

N. Korea has the world's 4th largest active duty army at around 1.1 mil, add in their 4.2 mil reservists and that puts them number 2 behind China. If we nuke them, China will have no other recourse but to retaliate against us due to the fallout that would threaten tens if not hundreds of thousands of chinese citizens. So that leaves us with 2 options; massive, large scale invasion or super-secret-way-beyond-spec-ops-rambo-jackie-chan bullshit...

so lets take a look...

Goddamn. Who the fuck is this guy? Bravo to you sir, bravo.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Razor

I'll take a break for now... Peace (or the closest thing to it)

Your post sounds sensible. I like the bike in your avatar too.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Razor

N. Korea has the world's 4th largest active duty army at around 1.1 mil, add in their 4.2 mil reservists and that puts them number 2 behind China. If we nuke them, China will have no other recourse but to retaliate against us...

The Chinese and the N.Koreans both HATE the Japaense and they both like each other. China will side with the North Koreans.

....So that leaves us with 2 options....

Actually it leaves us with three options...the third being to leave N. Korea the fuck alone like it has been for a long time.

....The people there are not militant, they are not barbarians... they are poor people who are used as a near slave labor force. The military will do anything for Father Kim because they are the ones who are treated well and have the power. The people dont know any better... according to NK version of history, the Japanese surrendered to THEM after WWII, we surrendered to THEM after the Great Fatherland War, and if you can even believe, they have a mural of one of our shuttles with a NK star on its tail because they were the ones who were in space first....

Every country has and uses propaganda. Ours is actually very good at it as we are just very sneaky in how it is pushed.

....Nuclear issues... Any nuclear detonation, whether the colliding of atoms to make multikiloton explosions or a conventional explosion with some used nuclear fuel rods stuck in is still a nuclear weapon because it spreads nuclear fallout and contaminates and kills. And the scary part you ask?? They may actually have a rocket that can reach the western seaboard of our country (Taepo-Dong III maybe?? 3 times the size of a SCUD missle) I know they have ones that can reach Japan because I was lucky enough to be in Japan and see their test fire of it as it flew over the main island.....

I still don't see how the U.S. has any right to tell N.Korea how many nukes they have. We have 5,113 (or something like that) nuclear warheads and the only known country to use a nuclear bomb on another country. We are like the thief preaching in church about thou shall not steal.

[Razor]

Actually it leaves us with three options...the third being to leave N. Korea the fuck alone like it has been for a long time.

Realistically it only leaves us with two options presently, maybe we could have used the third option decades ago before we started leaning into the mess but no longer. We couldnt afford the negative press of just picking up and going home, nor could we leave SK to fend for themselves so actually we cant just leave them alone.

I still don't see how the U.S. has any right to tell N.Korea how many nukes they have. We have 5,113 (or something like that) nuclear warheads and the only known country to use a nuclear bomb on another country. We are like the thief preaching in church about thou shall not steal.

I cant say that I disagree with you there, but I wasnt making an arguement about who had what rights to preach to whom. You're absolutely correct, the last figure I saw was that we had about 2600-2800 more nuke warheads than any other country. But if you want to look at it another way, since we have that many big sticks (read Nukes), we may not be able to dictate how many the other kids(read other nuclear countries) already have but we might want to have a decision on who gets their first big stick, especially if its the scary little psycho(NK) down the street that drowns puppies for fun...

Just an idea

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Razor

Realistically it only leaves us with two options presently, maybe we could have used the third option decades ago before we started leaning into the mess but no longer. We couldnt afford the negative press of just picking up and going home, nor could we leave SK to fend for themselves so actually we cant just leave them alone...

Actually the better question is what exactly is the United States interest in helping South Korea. I hardly doubt it has anything to do with negative press.

....I cant say that I disagree with you there, but I wasnt making an arguement about who had what rights to preach to whom. You're absolutely correct, the last figure I saw was that we had about 2600-2800 more nuke warheads than any other country. But if you want to look at it another way, since we have that many big sticks (read Nukes), we may not be able to dictate how many the other kids(read other nuclear countries) already have but we might want to have a decision on who gets their first big stick, especially if its the scary little psycho(NK) down the street that drowns puppies for fun...

I'm a Libertarian (in most areas) and what I simply fear the most is that this country will end up the same as alot of other countries who stretch their military too thin to either conquer other nations or protect other nations in the name of democracy. Add that to the entitlement craze we are going through and you have a recipe for disaster.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Actually the better question is what exactly is the United States interest in helping South Korea. I hardly doubt it has anything to do with negative press.

That would have been a good question to ask 60 years ago when the United Nations (primarily the United States) decided helping South Korea was in our interest. That made it our problem too and I don't really see a way we can walk away from it.

[Homeslice]

They might have a huge military, but their training sucks compared to ours, and their equipment, even with all the money they save by starving their citizens, doesn't compare.

[derf]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

They might have a huge military, but their training sucks compared to ours, and their equipment, even with all the money they save by starving their citizens, doesn't compare.

Don't kid yourself on this one. Yes they don't have the resources or equipment that we do, but they have one main advantage. They train to fight in one environment, the mountains and jungles of the korean peninsular. They also have one of the largest special ops forces in the world, and by spec ops I mean guerrilla warfare. They also structured their fighting forces for mobility with an emphasis on tanks, self powered artillery and APC's. They are definately not some backwoods band of jungle fighters.

Where we have the advantage is in air and sea superiority. They couldnt fly for shit, KJI is so scared of them defecting, many pilots have flown one time or less as professionals. Their air defense artillery is also primarily based on vietnam era technology. The nave is primarily using pre korean war technology upgraded with vietnam era weapons. An estimated 1/2 of their ships are in such dissrepair that they dont dare leave the safety of harbours.

With all that, I wouldnt want a ground fight vs N Korea, and any air or naval strikes can expect a retalitory ground invasion of the south.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by derf

They are definately not some backwoods band of jungle fighters.

Too bad for them....one thing the U.S. has proven in the past 40 years....we don't stand a chance against backwoods bands of jungle fighters.

[derf]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Too bad for them....one thing the U.S. has proven in the past 40 years....we don't stand a chance against backwoods bands of jungle fighters.

Actually I kinda agree with you on that. We are great at fighting big wars vs large formations and organised armies. But trying to fight organized bands of small groups of fighters is impossible. thats why Alquaeda, mujahaddeen, taliban, and all the other fighters in iraq and afghan are so good at what they do.

When i think of backwoods jungle fighter I think of dudes with blowguns and spears.