Cadillac med plan = more income

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

That's no different than here in New York.
My wife is from Queens and she is still amazed about the difference in wait times.

That's my point, precisely. Level of service is dependant upon population and area covered. Toronto would be a reasonable comparison to most of the largest American cities, in that regard. If you remember Moore's "Sicko" he compared American care to what he filmed in London, Ontario; a brand new hospital in a city with a total metropolitan population (city and environs) of less than half a million and a low population density. Brampton on the other hand, for example, is a city of over a half a million, sitting next to Toronto which has a population of 2.6+ million, and Mississauga with a population of seven hundred or so thousand.

Sure, we have a lot of hospitals in this urban area, but population and density of habitation require them.

[Homeslice]

All I'm gonna say is, man that suburb must have no fires...

Pretty cush job if they have the freedom to unlock people's door and chill out with kids

[pauldun170]

Canada's system would be tough in the US.
We have a huge defense industry to keep healthy.
Citizens can go pay for their own health care.Freedom and democracy and stuff like that.
Gotta keep it profitable and all....

[RACER X]

we all know canadian medical and drug co's are all non-profit.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by RACER X

we all know canadian medical and drug co's are all non-profit.

No, it's beyond that. All volunteer... even non-profits have cost.

[pauldun170]

The question is how do you want to be insured?
Do you want private industry to manage your insurance or do you want government to handle insurance?

With private insurance, you can shop around or thats what I hear. Since my employer covers part of the cost thus hiding the true cost of my insurance plan, shopping around for "alternative coverage" usually results in a lot of "holy shit...that's a lot of money"
So in my case...there are no better deals and I'm forced to take what my employer offers me whatever shitty coverage it may be. I get to watch my insurance cost go up every year in exchange for 30 seconds talking to a doctor and having him either stick a prescription in my hand or sending me off to a specialists who does the same thing but with different equipment.

If I don't like my coverage..then I have the freedom to quit my job and go find a job that offers better health insurance benefits. Hopefully another job whose insurance plan doesn't involve the same huge mega conglomerate that the employers I just quit use.

With government insurance you can get the soup to nuts plan from single payer or if you need something special you can go out and purchase your own insurance.

Canada folks...do you get deductions if you purchase private insurance (vs using single payer)

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Apoc

I see, you are one of those idiots who is afraid of taxes.

No matter, when I say free, I mean it. Had my nephew been born in your shit country, he'd have been refused healthcare, and it would have costed our family hundreds of thousands. My dads med. bills would have been in the tens of thousands. Sorry, the meager amount of taxes I need to pay for all the free services I get, is the next best thing to free. I'm sorry your small mind and beady eyes won't let you see the truth.

So wait, they would have been denied care AND still gotten a bill? Your argument has convinced me.

And FYI - they wouldn't have been refused healthcare... they would have gotten it for free. They cannot turn you down for emergency care... and they can't make you pay the bill when it comes.

Originally Posted by shmike

I sometimes wonder if you actually believe the nonsense you post or are you just trying to get a rise out of Ed?

My thoughts exactly.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

So wait, they would have been denied care AND still gotten a bill? Your argument has convinced me.

And FYI - they wouldn't have been refused healthcare... they would have gotten it for free. They cannot turn you down for emergency care... and they can't make you pay the bill when it comes.



My thoughts exactly.

I meant to say medicare/health insurance, not healthcare, my bad. His pre-existing condition would have prevented him from having insurance to pay for the bills, and even the co-pays would be ridiculous, if he could get insurance. And no, they cant make you pay the bill, but im sure it'll destroy that persons credit. Either way, there should be no cost to go to the hospital, period. I dont understand why you guys are so defensive over your shit system.

You guy's seem incapable of understanding that we get great healthcare at no cost to us outside of our taxes. Its pretty f'n simple. And our taxes are more than reasonable. Im not sure why it bothers you guys so much that most of us like our system. Most of us don't mind paying taxes. We aren't greedy fucks.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Apoc

I meant to say medicare/health insurance, not healthcare, my bad. His pre-existing condition would have prevented him from having insurance to pay for the bills, and even the co-pays would be ridiculous, if he could get insurance. And no, they cant make you pay the bill, but im sure it'll destroy that persons credit. Either way, there should be no cost to go to the hospital, period. I dont understand why you guys are so defensive over your shit system.

You guy's seem incapable of understanding that we get great healthcare at no cost to us outside of our taxes. Its pretty f'n simple. And our taxes are more than reasonable. Im not sure why it bothers you guys so much that most of us like our system. Most of us don't mind paying taxes. We aren't greedy fucks.

So; you DO believe it?

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by shmike

So; you DO believe it?

Stop acting like a retard.

I believe that taxes are important to a healthy country. I believe that healthcare should be available to all, even those who are poor and pay little to no taxes. I believe that the USA may be one of the most selfish countries in the world. Americans complain about our healthcare far more than we do. You guys are horrified that a few dollars of your money might go to helping someone else. It sick, disgusting, and show's exactly why your society is such a fucking mess.