speaking of tips: arrested for not paying - Page 4

tommymac · 11-21-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

But there is no obligation to pay it. Unless she told you before you ordered that you would be subject to a "have more than 4 friends" tax.

A lotof places here have it posted on a sign in the restaurant, but these are also the fridays/holuihan type places that will get a lot of younger groups in there who will order up a ton of stuff and leave a dollar tip regardless.

Sadly I had a group of friends who did that and left others to pay for a chunk of the bill. I would have to fork over like 40 bucks for a burger and some beers because other jackasses in my group wouldnt even pay thier share, and a few times I paid more just ot leave a decent tip if the server was good.

Tom

Kaneman · 11-21-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

But there is no obligation to pay it. Unless she told you before you ordered that you would be subject to a "have more than 4 friends" tax.

Its part of the bill dude, you gotta pay. If you got shitty service you have to take it up with the manager and try to get it removed...which I can't imagine being a problem at 99% of all restaurants.

Tmall · 11-21-2009, 09:49 AM

I don't know what you don't understand. They can't add things to your bill because they feel like it.

I don't know what planet you live on, but unless you are made aware that you will be charged extra, you can't be held accountable for it.

Even if the police arrest you, it doesn't mean you're guilty, it means they've responded to a complaint and charged you. This does not equal guilt.

Kaneman · 11-21-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

I don't know what you don't understand. They can't add things to your bill because they feel like it.

I don't know what planet you live on, but unless you are made aware that you will be charged extra, you can't be held accountable for it.

Even if the police arrest you, it doesn't mean you're guilty, it means they've responded to a complaint and charged you. This does not equal guilt.

Its been made clear to you that there are numerous notifications that gratuity is added to parties of 8 or more. This has been going on for at least 10 years, its nothing new.

You guys crack me up though.

Tmall · 11-21-2009, 10:11 AM

You're the one saying that servers can charge you extra if they feel like it or not, and I crack you up?

Kaneman · 11-21-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

You're the one saying that servers can charge you extra if they feel like it or not, and I crack you up?

Its just the way it is, and has been, for a long time. Or maybe its different up there, I've never been, but that's the norm at all restaurants here. I'm not sure if high-class joints do it or not, but all the Red Lobsters, Chilis, Applebees, etc. etc. do.

Its written right on the menu, the same place all the other prices are listed.

And yes you guys crack me up making such a big deal about it and acting like its some huge conspiracy to secretly tax you. Its not about that, its about servers trying to keep from being screwed by cheap bastards that don't tip.

Tmall · 11-21-2009, 10:20 AM

Seems more like the business not paying their employees a fair wage and expecting the customer to cover it.

As long as you work on a tip based system, you're subject to the whims of your customer.

Isn't that capitalism at its most basic? If you don't do a good job, or somebody doesn't think you deserve their money then you don't get it.

Kaneman · 11-21-2009, 10:30 AM

Yea I agree with that to a degree, but I think the tip system works better for servers from a customer service stand point than a fair wage would. Restaurant profit margins are thin as it is, by paying servers a fair wage, say $12-15 an hour (that's about what I made but I wasn't that good) they will be running in the red.

So they'll increase their menu prices to continue being profitable and you'll be paying much more for your meal. In addition to paying more for your meal, the service will be drastically changed. Imagine Dell or AT&T customer service reps serving you. Since they are now being paid a flat rate and do not get a monetary bonus for giving you stellar service you're going to get mediocre at best.

Homeslice · 11-21-2009, 10:32 AM

Look..........Tips have become commonplace. This has allowed restaurant owners to pay their waiters only $2.50/hr or whatever it is now. That's been like that as long as I've been alive. Why would you, a business owner, pay them more than that, when they make an additional $10-40 an hour in tips?

Nobody is saying tips should be forced........But it's your respeonsibility to talk to someone if you don't feel like tipping. 99% of the time they'll agree with you. The only reason this particular story made the news was because that owner was the one in a million who didn't.

Tmall · 11-21-2009, 10:41 AM

I disagre yet again Kane.

If they were paid a fair wage, and we paid more for our food, then bad service would directly effect the bottom line of the employer. If I don't like the service, I go elsewhere and restaurant owner loses money. There for, they would hire competent staff to do the job as well, they would take more of an interest in the quality of their employee.

11-21-2009, 10:30 AM	#38
Kaneman AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Odessa, TX Moto: 2000 Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird Posts: 4,931	Yea I agree with that to a degree, but I think the tip system works better for servers from a customer service stand point than a fair wage would. Restaurant profit margins are thin as it is, by paying servers a fair wage, say $12-15 an hour (that's about what I made but I wasn't that good) they will be running in the red. So they'll increase their menu prices to continue being profitable and you'll be paying much more for your meal. In addition to paying more for your meal, the service will be drastically changed. Imagine Dell or AT&T customer service reps serving you. Since they are now being paid a flat rate and do not get a monetary bonus for giving you stellar service you're going to get mediocre at best. __________________ 1982 Honda XR80 - blown motor, 1993 Kawasaki ZX6D - sold, 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200S - sold, 1984 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Kawasaki ZRX1200R - blown motor, 2007 Suzuki DL1000 V-Strom - totalled, 2003 Yamaha FZ1 - sold, 1994 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Honda CBR600F4i - sold, 1998 Suzuki DR350 - stolen, 1989 Honda Super Magna - sold, 2007 Yamaha Stratoliner, 2000 Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird

11-21-2009, 09:49 AM	#33
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	I don't know what you don't understand. They can't add things to your bill because they feel like it. I don't know what planet you live on, but unless you are made aware that you will be charged extra, you can't be held accountable for it. Even if the police arrest you, it doesn't mean you're guilty, it means they've responded to a complaint and charged you. This does not equal guilt.

11-21-2009, 10:11 AM	#35
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	You're the one saying that servers can charge you extra if they feel like it or not, and I crack you up?

11-21-2009, 10:20 AM	#37
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	Seems more like the business not paying their employees a fair wage and expecting the customer to cover it. As long as you work on a tip based system, you're subject to the whims of your customer. Isn't that capitalism at its most basic? If you don't do a good job, or somebody doesn't think you deserve their money then you don't get it.

11-21-2009, 10:32 AM	#39
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Look..........Tips have become commonplace. This has allowed restaurant owners to pay their waiters only $2.50/hr or whatever it is now. That's been like that as long as I've been alive. Why would you, a business owner, pay them more than that, when they make an additional $10-40 an hour in tips? Nobody is saying tips should be forced........But it's your respeonsibility to talk to someone if you don't feel like tipping. 99% of the time they'll agree with you. The only reason this particular story made the news was because that owner was the one in a million who didn't.

11-21-2009, 10:41 AM	#40
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	I disagre yet again Kane. If they were paid a fair wage, and we paid more for our food, then bad service would directly effect the bottom line of the employer. If I don't like the service, I go elsewhere and restaurant owner loses money. There for, they would hire competent staff to do the job as well, they would take more of an interest in the quality of their employee.