Texas to allow students and professors to carry firearms - Page 3

Rangerscott · 02-22-2011, 10:13 AM

Just because you carry doesnt mean you have to use your weapon. People still have their damn brains stuck in old western movies.

I have a drivers license. Doesnt mean I have to drive. I have an asbestoes certificate. Doesnt mean I have to work around it.

z06boy · 02-22-2011, 10:40 AM

I'm pro gun but was on the fence with this one when I first read the thread title. As some have said...I too was all for the faculty and security personal being armed but wasn't too sure about the students.

HOWEVER since it's been pointed out that it's the same people that would carry elsewhere because they would have to have their Conceal Carry Permit...this swayed me to vote...all for it.

nhgunnut · 02-22-2011, 11:15 AM

First as someone who is decidedly pro gun I have to vote good. If someone can get a concealed carry permit going to college should not deprive them of that right. On the other hand if you are intoxicated and carrying your permit should be suspended period. I work in a corrections center and while seldom articulated as such, it is clear that violent criminals regard "Gun Free Zones" as Low risk Victim pools. There is simply no question in my mind that an Armed Society is a Polite Society.

ericr · 02-22-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nhgunnut

First as someone who is decidedly pro gun I have to vote good. If someone can get a concealed carry permit going to college should not deprive them of that right. On the other hand if you are intoxicated and carrying your permit should be suspended period. I work in a corrections center and while seldom articulated as such, it is clear that violent criminals regard "Gun Free Zones" as Low risk Victim pools. There is simply no question in my mind that an Armed Society is a Polite Society.

In GA, it is illegal to consume alcohol while carrying a concealed weapon, you go to jail for that. I think all states have that in their CC laws. I agree with the rest of your post too

L8 Braker · 02-22-2011, 11:26 AM

For anyone saying this will be a bad idea, let me ask...

When is the last time you read about a professor that shot up his students?...Now, when is the last time you read about a professor that gave his life trying to help his students when a gunman had invaded their classroom?...The same question and answer can be asked about the students involved in these situations...

Simply put, this law would make these schools LESS LIKELY to be the target of a madman's deadly assault...For me, that's a win for the good guys, and I am 1000% in support of it...

Avatard · 02-22-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by L8 Braker

For anyone saying this will be a bad idea, let me ask...

When is the last time you read about a professor that shot up his students?

Which is why I said it's a good idea for the Administration, but perhaps not the students.

ericr · 02-22-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

Which is why I said it's a good idea for the Administration, but perhaps not the students.

Well, lets see here. I'm going back to school in April, I've had a carry permit since I was 21, I will be 45 in April and I am ex military. Care to revise your statement?

I'll wager I have more experience and training with firearms than 99.8% of college administrators, and probably did when I was 21 and first got my permit since I'd been shooting since I could hold a gun.

And to support your statement, find me all the news reports of 21 year olds that just got their carry permits that have been in firearms related crimes or incidents other than self defense.

Avatard · 02-22-2011, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ericr

Well, lets see here. I'm going back to school in April, I've had a carry permit since I was 21, I will be 45 in April and I am ex military. Care to revise your statement?

I'll wager I have more experience and training with firearms than 99.8% of college administrators, and probably did when I was 21 and first got my permit since I'd been shooting since I could hold a gun.

That's ducky. It's not your fucking house. I don't care how fucking old you are.

In the old west (gun ettiquette 101), you'd have to surrender (check) your gun to the establishment you went into, if they (the folks who's place it was) decided that the environment was too uncontrolled for firearms, or simply didn't want the responsibility under their roof (as in a saloon).

I say a big bunch of young, testosterone filled emo assholes drinking, competing, and trying to impress women in one place is an even worse idea when you add firearms. It's been proven that younger people lack impulse control.

Much like a saloon full of grown men is likely to have some problems once some of the patrons become more "lubricated", as not all people are happy drunks, the proprietors would do well to take measures to check guns at the door.

Administrators run the place. It's their house. They should have the guns. Arm even the fucking janitor...but the students? No.

No exception for you, Mr. old guy, sorry. It's still not your fucking house.

ericr · 02-22-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

That's ducky. It's not your fucking house. I don't care how fucking old you are.

In the old west (gun ettiquette 101), you'd have to surrender (check) your gun to the establishment you went into, if they (the folks who's place it was) decided that the environment was too uncontrolled for firearms, or simply didn't want the responsibility under their roof (as in a saloon).

I say a big bunch of young, testosterone filled emo assholes drinking, competing, and trying to impress women in one place is an even worse idea when you add firearms. It's been proven that younger people lack impulse control.

Much like a saloon full of grown men is likely to have some problems once some of the patrons become more "lubricated", as not all people are happy drunks, and so the proprietors would take measures to check guns at the door.

Administrators run the place. They should have the guns. Arm even the fucking janitor...but the students? No.

No exception for you, Mr. old guy, sorry. It's still not your fucking house.

Nice opinion. How about those facts? Your statement is the typical one from anti-gun people. "They're all gonna get drunk and shoot each other". Fact is most of those students never will get a permit OR carry ever, much less on campus. The ones that do get permits are typically the more responsible ones which is why I asked you to find some news reports of 21 yo's shooting up the town while they're drunk. OH, They only drink and act stupid on college campuses don't they?! And study up more on your "old west" lore, there were very few places that ever tried that. You've been watching too many movies.

L8 Braker · 02-22-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

Which is why I said it's a good idea for the Administration, but perhaps not the students.

Two things...
--You must be 21 in Texas to carry
--Very, very few people actually carry a firearm on them at all times

So, the the number of those actually carrying would be minimal, at best...One might say so minimal, that it's a non issue...

I think people have this vision of the old west, everyone walking around with a gun belt, a Colt .45 on each hip, waiting for someone to "give them some lip", thus promting a shootout...

But the facts, and they are facts, are that people carry legally every day with no problems...They just don't do it in certain geographical areas due to laws...This law wouldn't have anything but a positive impact...

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nhgunnut gun totin redneck Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South West New Hampshire Moto: turbo busa 999 Duc Goldwing & Victory Posts: 1,130	First as someone who is decidedly pro gun I have to vote good. If someone can get a concealed carry permit going to college should not deprive them of that right. On the other hand if you are intoxicated and carrying your permit should be suspended period. I work in a corrections center and while seldom articulated as such, it is clear that violent criminals regard "Gun Free Zones" as Low risk Victim pools. There is simply no question in my mind that an Armed Society is a Polite Society. __________________ Evolution requires a body count, Count or be Counted!

02-22-2011, 10:13 AM	#1
Rangerscott Viff6N Mutated Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Moto: '01 Honda VFR 800 & '09 ER-6N Posts: 8,704	Just because you carry doesnt mean you have to use your weapon. People still have their damn brains stuck in old western movies. I have a drivers license. Doesnt mean I have to drive. I have an asbestoes certificate. Doesnt mean I have to work around it.

02-22-2011, 10:40 AM	#2
z06boy Letzroll Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lake Norman area, NC Moto: 07 Red R1 & 07 Blue R6 Posts: 5,265	I'm pro gun but was on the fence with this one when I first read the thread title. As some have said...I too was all for the faculty and security personal being armed but wasn't too sure about the students. HOWEVER since it's been pointed out that it's the same people that would carry elsewhere because they would have to have their Conceal Carry Permit...this swayed me to vote...all for it.

02-22-2011, 11:26 AM	#5
L8 Braker Swollen Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 558	For anyone saying this will be a bad idea, let me ask... When is the last time you read about a professor that shot up his students?...Now, when is the last time you read about a professor that gave his life trying to help his students when a gunman had invaded their classroom?...The same question and answer can be asked about the students involved in these situations... Simply put, this law would make these schools *LESS LIKELY* to be the target of a madman's deadly assault...For me, that's a win for the good guys, and I am 1000% in support of it...