Any ladies here willing to admit????

[Fleck750]

Originally Posted by t-rock

We have a couple of 60-75 year old guys who ride with us consistently and whenever new guys come out, they always try to jump in front of the old guys. Pretty funny at the second gas stop after they've gotten blown past.

Pete and Jerry do LOOK pretty slow, though.

[t-homo]

Originally Posted by Fleck750

Pete and Jerry do LOOK pretty slow, though.

haha exactly the two I was talking about. They are pretty fucking quick. Not many, other than CNI and the like, can beat em down 125.

[Kerry_129]

Originally Posted by Riceaholic

Hokie is as fast or faster than most men I've ridden with. Riding with Kerry is only going to make her faster.

Lately, I've become the 'old conservative guy' cautioning her too keep it relatively slow on the street, and save the desire to really push herself for the track. After a decade or so of increasingly insane riding, I've spent the last few years fighting a self-preservation battle with myself to try and find a good compromise - a 'pace', if you will. Riding with Kathy (especially 2-up) has helped me find that 'comfort zone' and always reminds me that coming back home in one piece is far more important than pushing that next corner just a little faster.

I totally agree with Trip on our typical male retard-level tendencies. I think we also tend to measure ourselves & one another by how 'fast' we are (or think we are) vs. how in control we are. Perhaps that's a difference between how women tend to approach riding - when they don't feel quite in control, they generally have enough sense/self-preservation instinct to slow-the-fook-down, whereas men are more likely to take the do-it-or-die-trying approach!

Originally Posted by racedoll

I ride my own ride and would rather be smooth and consistent than worry about if someone is faster or slower than me.

Words of wisdom right there!

[racedoll]

Originally Posted by Kerry_129

:I think we also tend to measure ourselves & one another by how 'fast' we are (or think we are) vs. how in control we are. Perhaps that's a difference between how women tend to approach riding - when they don't feel quite in control, they generally have enough sense/self-preservation instinct to slow-the-fook-down, whereas men are more likely to take the do-it-or-die-trying approach!

I think you hit the nail on the head with that one!

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Kerry_129

Lately, I've become the 'old conservative guy' cautioning her too keep it relatively slow on the street, and save the desire to really push herself for the track. After a decade or so of increasingly insane riding, I've spent the last few years fighting a self-preservation battle with myself to try and find a good compromise - a 'pace', if you will. Riding with Kathy (especially 2-up) has helped me find that 'comfort zone' and always reminds me that coming back home in one piece is far more important than pushing that next corner just a little faster.

I totally agree with Trip on our typical male retard-level tendencies. I think we also tend to measure ourselves & one another by how 'fast' we are (or think we are) vs. how in control we are. Perhaps that's a difference between how women tend to approach riding - when they don't feel quite in control, they generally have enough sense/self-preservation instinct to slow-the-fook-down, whereas men are more likely to take the do-it-or-die-trying approach

Nah, I don't buy it... I'll tell you why. Almost every time, including the most recent WSS round in Utah, a female gets a chance to run with the big dogs, either she fails miserably, is sadly mediocre or crashes. I've seen it several times. Hayes' girlfriend is no exception, seriously, so much ado was being made about her 21st place finish at Daytona. I mean whoopie doo, she finished behind a number of 16 year old kids on super sport bikes (like Tyler Odom) and was lapped. It's obvious that they are making a huge deal of this only because she is a woman and in a way THAT should almost be taken as an insult in itself. It's Crazykel's, "she's fast for a woman" scenario imo.

Now I don't claim to have the answer, my only guess is that girls don't "typically" grow up racing machines like we do. Little boys turn EVERYTHING into a race. From matchbox cars, to bicycles, to motorcycles. We are always competing in that way. Hell, I've raced sticks in the gutter after it's rained... Maybe Trip is right and they don't make "spacial calculations" as fast as we do but I don't like that idea either. It's like the choices are, they're too smart to risk getting hurt- per Kerry or they're too stupid to do the math- per Trip. I still in all sincere honesty believe that women should clean-up in motorcycle racing and I'll never understand why they don't...

[HokieDNA01]

My take on why women don't compete well in racing is that we have a stronger biological "self preservation instinct" then men. Women's brains are set up to not take as many dangerous chances due to the fact that we may have children to take car of. Men have more testosterone and will take more chances. Just my outlook on it (i'm a Bio major so I tend to think that way)

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by HokieDNA01

My take on why women don't compete well in racing is that we have a stronger biological "self preservation instinct" then men. Women's brains are set up to not take as many dangerous chances due to the fact that we may have children to take car of. Men have more testosterone and will take more chances. Just my outlook on it (i'm a Bio major so I tend to think that way)

Strange that sounds A LOT like Kerry's theory... Again I don't know, but on the "self preservation" note. I've seen women basically give up and wait to die when the shit hits the fan. Guys keep running, fighting and striving to stay alive. That's self preservation, that's a survival instinct. Besides if there aren't any children, I'm not sure how that can be a factor. Women sky dive, climb mountains, smoke cigarettes, have un-protected sex, bungee jump, and engage in all types of stupid and life threatening activities the same as men.

I honestly don't think it's some noble "nurturing" instinct that keeps them from excelling in racing. Especially when they don't have any children. Besides, everyone keeps going on and on about how fast you are, what did you do? Have a hysterectomy or something? I mean if I have to, I'll accept that they just suck at the skills required to race and leave it at that but I'm not gonna accept that it's because they are too smart or too concerned about kids they don't even have to be great racers.

[HokieDNA01]

Tigger is ANYONE allowed to have an opinion other than you with out you trying to shoot them down? Its what I think and you dont have to buy it.....I wasn't trying to sell it to you anyway. It MY opinion from MY experience hence me saying "my take on it..."

And if people think I'm fast thats nice of them...somedays I feel fast some I don't. I have about 40,000 miles of experience on twisty roads so its more of "I'm used to them" verses "not having a uterus". Should I come out and say that since you were having a "bad day at the Gap" (your words not mine) that you have a vagina? give me a break.

[Riceaholic]

Originally Posted by Kerry_129

Lately, I've become the 'old conservative guy' cautioning her too keep it relatively slow on the street, and save the desire to really push herself for the track. After a decade or so of increasingly insane riding, I've spent the last few years fighting a self-preservation battle with myself to try and find a good compromise - a 'pace', if you will. Riding with Kathy (especially 2-up) has helped me find that 'comfort zone' and always reminds me that coming back home in one piece is far more important than pushing that next corner just a little faster.

I totally agree with Trip on our typical male retard-level tendencies. I think we also tend to measure ourselves & one another by how 'fast' we are (or think we are) vs. how in control we are. Perhaps that's a difference between how women tend to approach riding - when they don't feel quite in control, they generally have enough sense/self-preservation instinct to slow-the-fook-down, whereas men are more likely to take the do-it-or-die-trying approach!



Words of wisdom right there!

I'm staying out of the other topics floating around in the thread. What I was getting at is that you obviously have the experience to ride extremely competently the correct way. Speaking for myself, I was never riding past 75% at any time during the rally because honestly, there's no reason to ever push that hard on the street. I usually ride with guys I do track days with so a fast pace is easy and relaxed. It's a lot easier to learn from someone that's fast and relaxed and calm, than someone that's fast and having to push hard to be that way. I dunno, I'm half in the bag so none of that might make any sense...

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Riceaholic

I'm staying out of the other topics floating around in the thread. What I was getting at is that you obviously have the experience to ride extremely competently the correct way. Speaking for myself, I was never riding past 75% at any time during the rally because honestly, there's no reason to ever push that hard on the street. I usually ride with guys I do track days with so a fast pace is easy and relaxed. It's a lot easier to learn from someone that's fast and relaxed and calm, than someone that's fast and having to push hard to be that way. I dunno, I'm half in the bag so none of that might make any sense...

Nah, that makes sense. I assume that you're talking about Hok right? Yea you seemed very relaxed and smooth at the Gap, so I can see what you mean. I never felt nervous around either you, Shane or Trip. I was terrified that I'd run over someone around every corner otherwise. To be honest, I never rode with Kerry or Hokie at the Gap that I remember. I spent the first day not riding much because my bike felt funny and the second at Wheeler's getting my fork reassembled . In fact, I don't think I made more than 2 passes with anyone from the group. Oh well, I'm just glad I didn't crash!!!