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defector · 08-03-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

In my experience, with corporate jobs, nobody does what you describe, unless it's the Sales team going out for happy hour. Everyone else is very practiced at watching what they say.

Now, if it's a blue-collar business, or a small internet startup full of 20-somethings, things would be different.........But I'm talking large Fortune 500 type environments.

In my experience it is a blend of both.
Like OSP described - when we are dealing within our own company. When we are dealing with customers, it is like you described.

OneSickPsycho · 08-04-2010, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice

In my experience, with corporate jobs, nobody does what you describe, unless it's the Sales team going out for happy hour. Everyone else is very practiced at watching what they say.

Now, if it's a blue-collar business, or a small internet startup full of 20-somethings, things would be different.........But I'm talking large Fortune 500 type environments.

The higher up the chain you go, the less people hold back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by defector

In my experience it is a blend of both.
Like OSP described - when we are dealing within our own company. When we are dealing with customers, it is like you described.

Depends on the customer... if you have a good relationship with a customer/client it can be a free for all. It also depends on what department you are talking about... HR - gotta watch it... Sales - 'fuck you too buddy!'

Trip · 08-03-2010, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice

I meant personal/sensitive to you, not to your employer.

Face to face only. I don't like talking on the phone or emailing. If it's something that important to me then it doesnt get broadcasted.

Avatard · 08-03-2010, 05:52 PM

Actually, I'm probably much more boring than even you.

Just don't like to be "followed around", or tracked by anyone.

Homeslice · 08-04-2010, 09:42 AM

Experts: BlackBerry ban could affect privacy everywhere
By Doug Gross, CNN

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: Saudi Arabia will halt BlackBerry services starting August 5
Analysts: BlackBerry ban in the United Arab Emirates could hurt privacy in other countries
China, India and others reportedly are considering similar regulations
BlackBerry encrypts its phone communications but UAE says it wants data access for security

(CNN) -- Smartphone users in countries all over the world could lose some privacy if threats and promises by foreign nations to shut down BlackBerry services goes through, analysts say.

On Sunday, the UAE threatened to block access to e-mail, web browsing and text messages on the popular smartphone on October 11 if its owner, Research In Motion, doesn't provide government access for security investigations.

And on Tuesday, the Saudi Communications and Information Technology Commission asked mobile communications companies in Saudi Arabia to halt BlackBerry service in the kingdom beginning August 5, the official Saudi Press Agency reported.

"The impact can be huge if this thing continues to go forward," said Kevin Burden, a vice president and mobile-industry analyst with ABI Research. "If something like this holds up, you can expect governments in other emerging markets to follow suit."

Burden cited reports that governments in countries such as China, India and Kuwait already are considering similar requirements. They would no doubt be emboldened to move forward if the UAE acts, he said.

The BlackBerry is the dominant smartphone in the UAE, where the capital, Abu Dhabi, and the emirate of Dubai are major business hubs of the Middle East.

The threatened October 11 ban would affect more than a half-million BlackBerry users in the UAE, as well as visitors to Dubai and the rest of the emirates.

If BlackBerry access is blocked, other secure phones would no doubt follow, Burden said.

"My sense is that the UAE goes after RIM and BlackBerry, saying 'Let's start with the king in all of this. Let's knock them down, then all of the others will fall in place afterward,'" he said.

For consumers, the UAE controversy represents a growing battle between digital companies and governments over data security.

While companies like BlackBerry want to ensure their users' privacy, governments increasingly want access for security reasons.

BlackBerry messages are encrypted to keep them from being deciphered by anyone who might intercept them. Other companies, like Google, have added encryption -- in Google's case, after some private data was compromised, setting off a public spat with China's government.

Operating systems such as the iPhone's and Google's Android often store information "in the clouds," meaning over the internet, Beyers said, while BlackBerry sends data to its own offshore servers. Virtually all smartphone systems geared toward corporate clients are encrypted, though, he noted.

While various companies have agreed to offer "back doors" for governments when they're investigating potential security threats, BlackBerry's stock in trade has been privacy.

"RIM has been known as the very buttoned-down, corporate smartphone supplier," said Tim Beyers, a senior technology analyst for The Motley Fool. "Security is the No. 1 reason that perception has remained. That is their competitive advantage and anything that dilutes that story dilutes their corporate advantage and makes it harder for Research in Motion to grow."

Beyers doesn't predict that a ban in the UAE would lead to widespread government data grabs in many other countries. But some would definitely try, he said.

"It is chilling," he said. "I wouldn't overstate the concern, but at the same time I also think that if they're forced to create some sort of back door, there is the possibility that other governments will ask for a similar back door. Then that would be a problem."

In a written statement to CNN on Monday, RIM said it operates in 175 countries and does not comment on the talks it has with governments about privacy rules.

"RIM respects both the regulatory requirements of government and the security and privacy needs of corporations and consumers," the statement said.

"RIM assures its customers that it is committed to continue delivering highly secure and innovative products that satisfy the needs of both customers and governments."

The United Arab Emirates is defending its decision, with its ambassador in Washington arguing the United States and other countries require the same kind of access for security reasons.

But State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley called the move "a dangerous precedent," saying the United States supports the free flow of information and that the department will be "clarifying" the UAE's reasons for the announcement.

Both Burden and Beyers say the UAE government obviously would rather get concessions from RIM than shut down BlackBerry service altogether.

Burden expects RIM to seek support between now and October by making the case that a UAE ban would hurt other businesses and consumers, not just its own.

"[A ban] ultimately would be a very bad thing for RIM and it would be a bad thing for a lot of corporate e-mail systems as well," he said. "The reason we're all willing to use our BlackBerrys -- why our own government and the U.S. Congress can do it -- is that there is this promise that this is secure information.

"If you strip away that confidence, those are huge implications."

the chi · 08-04-2010, 11:05 AM

Now the article Homeslice posted puts a whole new spin on it.

I dont care as far as my info is concerned, I am not worried about sharing any vital info, but as far as "big brother" watching everything I do, just because they can, kinda puts me in the same court as Avatard, pained tho I am to admit it.

Homeslice · 08-04-2010, 12:13 PM

^ That might be true for the owner of a company who started the place from ground up, but not for someone who worked their way up.

All I'm saying is, people who don't act professionally usually don't get promoted. At least not at a large office-bound company like Kraft, Hewlett-Packard, or Procter & Gamble. At places like that it's less about what you know, and more about how you act.

OneSickPsycho · 08-04-2010, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice

^ That might be true for the owner of a company who started the place from ground up, but not for someone who worked their way up.

All I'm saying is, people who don't act professionally usually don't get promoted. At least not at a large office-bound company like Kraft, Hewlett-Packard, or Procter & Gamble. At places like that it's less about what you know, and more about how you act.

You act professionally until you've earned enough title/experience to act otherwise. It's the same everywhere. True story - one of my first experiences with executives was with a VP of some sort from Sherwin Williams... the client contact was always super professional, but when this guy came to visit - he's all f-bombs and sex jokes. At 21 years old, I was BLOWN AWAY.

Out of all of the many interactions I've had... I'll tell you, the guy from Disney was the worst! Every other word was 'fuck' and he CONSTANTLY badmouthed Disney... And he had been there for 20+ years.

the chi · 08-04-2010, 12:21 PM

I see what the problem is here. You live on the West Coast.

In this alternate universe, called The South, there's this thing called a Good Ole Boys Club. If you're a member you can pretty much get whatever job you want, talk to folks however you want and be the biggest dick you want to be and it's okay. Because you're daddy knows your boss, who's your momma's second cousin and you went to school with some of the other assholes you work with. Those you dont know, arent related to and arent in "good" with the boss dont matter, they aren't from around here and you can do whatever you want because they arent members of your club.

Alternately, good old ole boys club aside, most of these "professional" execs you are enamored with got to where they are by stepping on the backs of folks below them. They know how to play the game better and make themselves look golden, so they can behave in a douchey manner and not have any repercussions, because when the bosses are looking (if they arent already the boss) they are on their best behavior.

shmike · 08-04-2010, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the chi

I see what the problem is here. You live on the West Coast.

In this alternate universe, called The South, there's this thing called a Good Ole Boys Club. If you're a member you can pretty much get whatever job you want, talk to folks however you want and be the biggest dick you want to be and it's okay. Because you're daddy knows your boss, who's your momma's second cousin and you went to school with some of the other assholes you work with. Those you dont know, arent related to and arent in "good" with the boss dont matter, they aren't from around here and you can do whatever you want because they arent members of your club.

Alternately, good old ole boys club aside, most of these "professional" execs you are enamored with got to where they are by stepping on the backs of folks below them. They know how to play the game better and make themselves look golden, so they can behave in a douchey manner and not have any repercussions, because when the bosses are looking (if they arent already the boss) they are on their best behavior.

That is part of it.

I have been out partying in NYC and Chicago with high level execs ad have seen the same thing. The corporate meeting is all suit and tie stuffy and then we'd hit the town.

OSP mentioned it earlier. If you are hanging out with Accounting or HR maybe they are all stuffy all the time.

Hang out with the VP of marketing / sales / new accounts / etc. and you'd better plan for a long night of f-bombs and whores.

08-03-2010, 05:52 PM	#4
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	Actually, I'm probably much more boring than even you. Just don't like to be "followed around", or tracked by anyone. __________________ Insert free thought here.

08-04-2010, 12:13 PM	#7
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	^ That might be true for the owner of a company who started the place from ground up, but not for someone who worked their way up. All I'm saying is, people who don't act professionally usually don't get promoted. At least not at a large office-bound company like Kraft, Hewlett-Packard, or Procter & Gamble. At places like that it's less about what you know, and more about how you act. Last edited by Homeslice; 08-04-2010 at 12:16 PM..

08-04-2010, 09:42 AM	#5
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Experts: BlackBerry ban could affect privacy everywhere By Doug Gross, CNN STORY HIGHLIGHTS NEW: Saudi Arabia will halt BlackBerry services starting August 5 Analysts: BlackBerry ban in the United Arab Emirates could hurt privacy in other countries China, India and others reportedly are considering similar regulations BlackBerry encrypts its phone communications but UAE says it wants data access for security (CNN) -- Smartphone users in countries all over the world could lose some privacy if threats and promises by foreign nations to shut down BlackBerry services goes through, analysts say. On Sunday, the UAE threatened to block access to e-mail, web browsing and text messages on the popular smartphone on October 11 if its owner, Research In Motion, doesn't provide government access for security investigations. And on Tuesday, the Saudi Communications and Information Technology Commission asked mobile communications companies in Saudi Arabia to halt BlackBerry service in the kingdom beginning August 5, the official Saudi Press Agency reported. "The impact can be huge if this thing continues to go forward," said Kevin Burden, a vice president and mobile-industry analyst with ABI Research. "If something like this holds up, you can expect governments in other emerging markets to follow suit." Burden cited reports that governments in countries such as China, India and Kuwait already are considering similar requirements. They would no doubt be emboldened to move forward if the UAE acts, he said. The BlackBerry is the dominant smartphone in the UAE, where the capital, Abu Dhabi, and the emirate of Dubai are major business hubs of the Middle East. The threatened October 11 ban would affect more than a half-million BlackBerry users in the UAE, as well as visitors to Dubai and the rest of the emirates. If BlackBerry access is blocked, other secure phones would no doubt follow, Burden said. "My sense is that the UAE goes after RIM and BlackBerry, saying 'Let's start with the king in all of this. Let's knock them down, then all of the others will fall in place afterward,'" he said. For consumers, the UAE controversy represents a growing battle between digital companies and governments over data security. While companies like BlackBerry want to ensure their users' privacy, governments increasingly want access for security reasons. BlackBerry messages are encrypted to keep them from being deciphered by anyone who might intercept them. Other companies, like Google, have added encryption -- in Google's case, after some private data was compromised, setting off a public spat with China's government. Operating systems such as the iPhone's and Google's Android often store information "in the clouds," meaning over the internet, Beyers said, while BlackBerry sends data to its own offshore servers. Virtually all smartphone systems geared toward corporate clients are encrypted, though, he noted. While various companies have agreed to offer "back doors" for governments when they're investigating potential security threats, BlackBerry's stock in trade has been privacy. "RIM has been known as the very buttoned-down, corporate smartphone supplier," said Tim Beyers, a senior technology analyst for The Motley Fool. "Security is the No. 1 reason that perception has remained. That is their competitive advantage and anything that dilutes that story dilutes their corporate advantage and makes it harder for Research in Motion to grow." Beyers doesn't predict that a ban in the UAE would lead to widespread government data grabs in many other countries. But some would definitely try, he said. "It is chilling," he said. "I wouldn't overstate the concern, but at the same time I also think that if they're forced to create some sort of back door, there is the possibility that other governments will ask for a similar back door. Then that would be a problem." In a written statement to CNN on Monday, RIM said it operates in 175 countries and does not comment on the talks it has with governments about privacy rules. "RIM respects both the regulatory requirements of government and the security and privacy needs of corporations and consumers," the statement said. "RIM assures its customers that it is committed to continue delivering highly secure and innovative products that satisfy the needs of both customers and governments." The United Arab Emirates is defending its decision, with its ambassador in Washington arguing the United States and other countries require the same kind of access for security reasons. But State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley called the move "a dangerous precedent," saying the United States supports the free flow of information and that the department will be "clarifying" the UAE's reasons for the announcement. Both Burden and Beyers say the UAE government obviously would rather get concessions from RIM than shut down BlackBerry service altogether. Burden expects RIM to seek support between now and October by making the case that a UAE ban would hurt other businesses and consumers, not just its own. "[A ban] ultimately would be a very bad thing for RIM and it would be a bad thing for a lot of corporate e-mail systems as well," he said. "The reason we're all willing to use our BlackBerrys -- why our own government and the U.S. Congress can do it -- is that there is this promise that this is secure information. "If you strip away that confidence, those are huge implications."