Picked up two modern guns - Beretta PX4 Storm and SIG 556

[Porkchop]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

The Beretta looks interesting........I'm not a fan of their dime-a-dozen government-issue 92/96 models, they are too heavy for their caliber, and their grips are too thick.

My buddy just got a clean used 92fs from Gander Mountain. Not very impressed with it by holding it, especially compared to my XD-9. That might change once I shoot it.

Now his brother's 96 I like a little better. Not sure what model 96 it is though.

[fnfalman]

Dude, you own a Croatian Abortion and you're not impressed by a Beretta 92FS?

So, if you roll up on a Yugo, you're not impressed by an Alpha Romeo either?

[Porkchop]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Dude, you own a Croatian Abortion and you're not impressed by a Beretta 92FS?

So, if you roll up on a Yugo, you're not impressed by an Alpha Romeo either?

Croation Abortion? It's standard issue law enforcement/military as the HS2000. You act like its a dog. Infact, if I remember correctly the original version has won awards by the SIAE, and my friend just mentioned that the XDM-9 just won handgun of the year from them and other magazine publications this past year.

As far as the 92, like I said... I havnt fired his yet. But initial impressions didnt leave me with any good feelings. The weighting was weird, it was heavy, and it didnt fit my hand well. His 96 felt MUCH better.

BTW, i was just in Europe for a couple weeks. I'd totally rock a 159, Brera, or 8C compitizione...

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Why would anyone be impressed by the most common, generic gun in the world? I'm sure it's got good build quality, but other than that, it's boring because it's so common. And it's too heavy for a 9mm, IMO.

Most common? Try a Glock. Talk about common.

Too heavy? Lift some weights. Jesus H. Christ, how wimpy can you people be?

Originally Posted by Porkchop

Croation Abortion? It's standard issue law enforcement/military as the HS2000. You act like its a dog. Infact, if I remember correctly the original version has won awards by the SIAE, and my friend just mentioned that the XDM-9 just won handgun of the year from them and other magazine publications this past year.

As far as the 92, like I said... I havnt fired his yet. But initial impressions didnt leave me with any good feelings. The weighting was weird, it was heavy, and it didnt fit my hand well. His 96 felt MUCH better.

BTW, i was just in Europe for a couple weeks. I'd totally rock a 159, Brera, or 8C compitizione...

The HS2000 was a decent, inexpensive handgun.

The XD is twice the price for the same thing. How does it feel to grossly overpay on something like that? Also let me know when the XD/HS2000 is being accepted by any major fighting unit.

You complain that the 92 didn't fit your hand well and that's why you aren't impressed? Guess what? The XD probably doesn't fit a lot of people's hands either. Should it be dismissed or degraded because the grip doesn't fit everybody's hands?

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Porkchop

Croation Abortion? It's standard issue law enforcement/military as the HS2000. You act like its a dog. Infact, if I remember correctly the original version has won awards by the SIAE, and my friend just mentioned that the XDM-9 just won handgun of the year from them and other magazine publications this past year.

As far as the 92, like I said... I havnt fired his yet. But initial impressions didnt leave me with any good feelings. The weighting was weird, it was heavy, and it didnt fit my hand well. His 96 felt MUCH better.

BTW, i was just in Europe for a couple weeks. I'd totally rock a 159, Brera, or 8C compitizione...

Same shit different caliber.

[nhgunnut]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Dude, you own a Croatian Abortion and you're not impressed by a Beretta 92FS?

So, if you roll up on a Yugo, you're not impressed by an Alpha Romeo either?

Sorry FNfalman Respectfully, I will take My XD over the Open slide on the 92. Both good guns I like the XD better.
But when it has to work every time give me a Wheel Gun.
How about giving us a write up on the Sig?

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by Dave

Fal, I demoed the px4 a couple of years back. Iirc the trigger was so light and long it gave me issues, much preferred the full framed usp45 and beretta 92 brigadier vertec I fired afterward

The trigger is fairly light in single action, and rather heavy in double action. I must admit that it will take me a bit to get used to the PX4 Storm than the USPC45 that I have. I can do some decent groups on SA, but DA is pretty bad right now. With PMC 230-grain FMJ, it shoots a bit low but dead on. The DA pulls heavily low and to the right. I'll go out next time and practice some more on it. I think that the PX4 has some potential with precision shooting, but not with the factory sights. The factory sights are big and easy to pick up, but also too coarse for precision shooting. Of course that's the point of these kinds of handguns - quick shooting. But it would be nice to see how they really perform with slow fire practice. You never know when you might have to do a head shot at 25-yards.

Originally Posted by nhgunnut

Sorry FNfalman Respectfully, I will take My XD over the Open slide on the 92. Both good guns I like the XD better.
But when it has to work every time give me a Wheel Gun.
How about giving us a write up on the Sig?

If you think that the open slide of the 92 is a bad design, then by all means. Just remember that it passed the US Army Board of Ordnance test TWICE against all the other Wondernines.

The SIG just barely got zeroed in, so there's not much to tell. I zeroed it in at 25-meters. I don't care for the SIG red dot sight too much. You have to loosen the elevation locking nut, THEN adjust the elevation, THEN tightened the elevation locking nut down so that it won't wander. WTF, over? The trigger is pretty light but long with the take-up - typical military trigger. I shot a box of PMC 55-grains ball and 2 boxes of Russian 62-grains ball. It seemed to cycle the Russkie steel casing just fine. Accuracy is acceptable at 25-meter which ain't shit. We shall see the next time when we extend the range out to 100-meters plus.

As far as wheelguns go, they're the shit. Look at the photo comparison between wheelie rapid fire versus PX4 rapid fire.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Dude, you own a Croatian Abortion and you're not impressed by a Beretta 92FS?

Why would anyone be impressed by the most common, generic gun in the world? I'm sure it's got good build quality, but other than that, it's boring because it's so common. And it's too heavy for a 9mm, IMO.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Why would anyone be impressed by the most common, generic gun in the world? I'm sure it's got good build quality, but other than that, it's boring because it's so common. And it's too heavy for a 9mm, IMO.

You know the weight makes it more controlable right? I'm with fal here, lift some damn weights

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Dave

You know the weight makes it more controlable right? I'm with fal here, lift some damn weights

Maybe, but if the weight affects how quickly you can move it around and re-target, what then?

Also the grip is too wide/thick