Cesar Millan - Page 2

Kaneman · 10-07-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Inferno

Just kidding about the gay part...don't know if he is.

Cesar uses the pack leader/alpha dog approach to training and from what I can tell, he does it well. Most trainers use the positive re-enforcement approach aka give a treat when the dog does what you want. That is ok also. Victoria Stillwell aka "It's me or the dog" on Animal planet uses this, and is 100% against the pack leader/alpha dog style.

Cesar doesn't do training, he does aggression/behavioral problem rehab. Mostly what Cesar is good at is taking dogs that would otherwise be put to sleep and teaching them how to act an interact with others.

You can't do that with a cutesy voice, a clicker and pocket of treats. Sorry. All the anti-Cesar people are A) Idiots and B) Never owned an aggressive dog.

Kaneman · 10-07-2010, 11:55 AM

The Pit-Bull forum is intensely anti-Cesar, you can even buy anti-Cesar buttons over there. They hate Cesar Millan more than they ever hated Michael Vick. Craziest thing man. Here's this guy that's done more to push a positive image of Pit Bulls to the public than all of them put together ever will, and they hate him.

The irony is, of course, that their dogs are so aggressive they'd never even consider letting them play with other dogs....but you know, Cesar's methods are just so mean.

CrazyKell · 10-07-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaneman

The Pit-Bull forum is intensely anti-Cesar, you can even buy anti-Cesar buttons over there. They hate Cesar Millan more than they ever hated Michael Vick. Craziest thing man. Here's this guy that's done more to push a positive image of Pit Bulls to the public than all of them put together ever will, and they hate him.

The irony is, of course, that their dogs are so aggressive they'd never even consider letting them play with other dogs....but you know, Cesar's methods are just so mean.

Cesar doesn't seem mean to me at all.

Those are the idiots that give pitts a bad name unfortunately.

Why do they hate him?

Kaneman · 10-07-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyKell

Cesar doesn't seem mean to me at all.

Those are the idiots that give pitts a bad name unfortunately.

Why do they hate him?

They, along with quite a few people including the ASPCA, denounce his Pack methods as barbaric, abusive and detrimental to a dog's mental stability. To them positive reinforcement is the only thing you should ever give a dog. They claim there are so many other, humane ways you can use.

And then in the next thread they'll be talking about how they'd never, EVER, EEEVVVEEERRR take their dogs to a dog park, "Cause its just too dangerous, you never know what could happen."

Unless of course your dog respects you, then you'll know exactly what can happen. My very high drive Pit Bull, for example, has been attacked by numerous dogs and never retaliated. Why? Because his first reaction is to look to me for guidance and protection.

Inferno · 10-06-2010, 02:11 PM

I think a combo of both is good.

Most people that have dog problems I think there are a few reasons. 1. The owner controls the food. I feed my dog twice per day and a set amount (1 1/2 cups). This is done for a few reasons, I control the food and he knows it and also to keep him healthy.
IMO, I do not like it when people leave the dog bowl full all day. There is no control of the food.
2. The owner controls when the dog goes outside. Most dogs, if not all, would rather be outside. They have doen studies about this with domestic dogs and they would rather be outside. Same as the food...they know you allow them to go outside. So it is all about control. The owner controls the dog, the dog does not control the owner.

But those are just two of my opinions.

skiergirl · 10-06-2010, 02:38 PM

yes, that's her name - I guess I use a bit of both with my dog. I think positive reinforcement absolutely works in most cases but with a dominant or working dog breed often the Alpha approach gets more results.

Rocky is pretty well behaved but once in a while as a Doberman will he pushes the limits. Sometimes literally grabbing him snout and sitting his ass down and saying NO right in his face gets the results that a treat will not.

CrazyKell · 10-06-2010, 02:44 PM

I use a combination of both.

I don't use treats except for when she goes in her crate but that's more to direct her by scent rather than it is about the reward.

She's also on a strict schedule to allow for some consistency.

This is my first puppy that I've had to train (despite growing up with dogs), so it's been a bit of an eye opener but a really rewarding experience.

I'm also reading Cesar's book "How to Raise the Perfect Dog" and it's a great read for anyone with a puppy OR thinking about getting one. Lots of great information.

skiergirl · 10-06-2010, 05:40 PM

keep in mind, a reward doesn't have to mean treat. Taking a moment to give them a few 'good dog' comments and rubbing them or petting them is as much a reward as a treat if you are excited about it they will be to.

Particle Man · 10-06-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by skiergirl

rubbing them or petting them is as much a reward as a treat if you are excited about it they will be to.

That works on us men too, ladies

Rangerscott · 10-06-2010, 09:26 PM

10-07-2010, 11:55 AM	#2
Kaneman AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Odessa, TX Moto: 2000 Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird Posts: 4,931	The Pit-Bull forum is intensely anti-Cesar, you can even buy anti-Cesar buttons over there. They hate Cesar Millan more than they ever hated Michael Vick. Craziest thing man. Here's this guy that's done more to push a positive image of Pit Bulls to the public than all of them put together ever will, and they hate him. The irony is, of course, that their dogs are so aggressive they'd never even consider letting them play with other dogs....but you know, Cesar's methods are just so mean. __________________ 1982 Honda XR80 - blown motor, 1993 Kawasaki ZX6D - sold, 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200S - sold, 1984 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Kawasaki ZRX1200R - blown motor, 2007 Suzuki DL1000 V-Strom - totalled, 2003 Yamaha FZ1 - sold, 1994 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Honda CBR600F4i - sold, 1998 Suzuki DR350 - stolen, 1989 Honda Super Magna - sold, 2007 Yamaha Stratoliner, 2000 Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird

10-06-2010, 02:44 PM	#7
CrazyKell Vrooom Join Date: Nov 2008 Moto: 06 ZX6R Posts: 4,427	I use a combination of both. I don't use treats except for when she goes in her crate but that's more to direct her by scent rather than it is about the reward. She's also on a strict schedule to allow for some consistency. This is my first puppy that I've had to train (despite growing up with dogs), so it's been a bit of an eye opener but a really rewarding experience. I'm also reading Cesar's book "How to Raise the Perfect Dog" and it's a great read for anyone with a puppy OR thinking about getting one. Lots of great information. __________________ I ignore your posts and I suggest you do the same with mine.

10-06-2010, 02:11 PM	#5
Inferno Canyon Carver Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Savannah, Ga Moto: 08 R6 Posts: 309	I think a combo of both is good. Most people that have dog problems I think there are a few reasons. 1. The owner controls the food. I feed my dog twice per day and a set amount (1 1/2 cups). This is done for a few reasons, I control the food and he knows it and also to keep him healthy. IMO, I do not like it when people leave the dog bowl full all day. There is no control of the food. 2. The owner controls when the dog goes outside. Most dogs, if not all, would rather be outside. They have doen studies about this with domestic dogs and they would rather be outside. Same as the food...they know you allow them to go outside. So it is all about control. The owner controls the dog, the dog does not control the owner. But those are just two of my opinions.

10-06-2010, 02:38 PM	#6
skiergirl Gixxer Girl Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kyle, TX Moto: 05 GSXR 750 & 06 YZ250F Posts: 1,424	yes, that's her name - I guess I use a bit of both with my dog. I think positive reinforcement absolutely works in most cases but with a dominant or working dog breed often the Alpha approach gets more results. Rocky is pretty well behaved but once in a while as a Doberman will he pushes the limits. Sometimes literally grabbing him snout and sitting his ass down and saying NO right in his face gets the results that a treat will not.

10-06-2010, 05:40 PM	#8
skiergirl Gixxer Girl Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kyle, TX Moto: 05 GSXR 750 & 06 YZ250F Posts: 1,424	keep in mind, a reward doesn't have to mean treat. Taking a moment to give them a few 'good dog' comments and rubbing them or petting them is as much a reward as a treat if you are excited about it they will be to.

10-06-2010, 09:26 PM	#10
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