Legalize it.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by shmike

Can you provide resources/links to support your arguments?

I'm not saying they aren't accurate but I have yet to see anything from either side that shows whether or not smoking MJ is better or worse than ciggies. I hear all these different levels of carcinogens/anti-carcinogens being thrown about but have never seen any studies shown.

I've also never heard of OD via ingestion until this post.

Both sides are amping up their support. Cannabis hasn't undergone any successful clinical trials, that I'm aware of, that show it is effective in fighting cancer. Evidence of that is largely anecdotal. Cannabis doesn't appear to noticeably increase risk of lung or throat cancers, but has been clinically shown to increase the risk of testicular cancer.

As with most things that seriously polarize debate people tend to hype what supports their side, while outright lying about the other side. If the evidence isn't clinical, or doesn't compare something meaningful, then it isn't evidence.

*EDIT* By the way a search for that patent number yields many results on Google, while an actual search of the patent office records shows nothing.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by nhgunnut

While I already signed it, you information is a bit faulty. There are compounds in Cannabis that that seem to offer promise in dealing with cancer. The delivery system of Smoking it it is about 7 times more carcinogenic than equal amounts of tobacco. As far as overdosing goes , the delivery system is what limits overdose. You can't Smoke enough to overdose with out loosing consciousness. On the other hand there thousands of Psychotic Episodes each year with some deaths attached (Usually trauma related) When people eat Cannabis . Simply because when you eat it is possible to get enough into your digestive system to reach overdose before you feel it's effects. (lets be honest if after you eat the pot brownie and you start to get the munchies whats left to eat ,, "Oh wait there's more Brownies" )
All of that said It needs to be legalized because I am tired of buying jailed stoners breakfast.

In summary, enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marihuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals but did produce fatalities in smaller rodents due to profound central nervous system depression.

The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.

Thus, evidence from animal studies and human case reports appears to indicate that the ratio of lethal dose to effective dose is quite large. This ratio is much more favorable than that of many other common psychoactive agents including alcohol and barbiturates (Phillips et al. 1971, Brill et al. 1970).

http://www.oregon.gov/pharmacy/Impor...NOTES_3-10.pdf

I don't give a fuck how stoned you are, you damn sure ain't eating 10lbs of hash or the 15,000 cookies you could make out of that... and trust me, at that dosage (0.3g/serving), one cookie would put Cheech and Chong on the moon.

Let's say you have some super-weed that's 50% (impossible), that still means you'd have to eat almost a lb of it to kill you.

It doesn't kill anyone... Associating it with other things is moot... it's like saying "bathtubs cause 2,000 deaths per year." No, being old as fuck and falling in the bathtub causes 2,000 deaths per year.

Also, I question where you came up with that anyone... I'd imagine if that were the case, the government would be all over it as the forefront of the drug war... and Google can't find shit on it.

There is a link between schizophrenia and marijuana, but then again... there's a link with schizophrenia and coffee too.

[OneSickPsycho]

Cancer?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...501729_pf.html

The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.

[OneSickPsycho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIaiWiBiEnU

[OneSickPsycho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqWxys3P_nI

[dubbs]

Originally Posted by Rangerscott

We had a dude drive into a house that was using synthetic dope. I wouldnt sign it.

Hoping this was sarcasm - but if not, what does synthetic (K2?) have to do with the real deal?

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by Rangerscott

We had a dude drive into a house that was using synthetic dope. I wouldnt sign it.

Imagine all of the dumb things you've done sober.

Ban being sober!!

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by Rangerscott

We had a dude drive into a house that was using synthetic dope. I wouldnt sign it.

Ya, cuz nobody ever drove into a house drunk. Or sober.


Reminds me of when tmall and I were getting all fucked up one day, passing around a couple of 40's of whiskey and a bunch of dope, and a guy from nearby stopped in for a drink.

"What you guys doing tonight?"
"Dunno, think i'm gonna get drunk, steal my mothers car, and roll it"

He kept his word. Epic! (for us, it left him mildly retarded)

[pauldun170]

You hippies and your damn reefer.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

You hippies and your damn reefer.