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Rider · 03-31-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymac

its just a question of how vigorously said laws are enforced. Piss off acop durring a traffic stop and you can bet he will find more tickets to write you up for.

Sometimes with bikes its a little different since it seems some cops arent fully aware of the laws governing bikes.

Cops aren't judges. They don't interpret the laws, they enforce them. 56 in a 55 is breaking the law so they SHOULD be giving you a ticket. Until now, they have been interpreting the speeding law(in your favor). Cops are not supposed to use "judgment". Their job is black and white. It's up to the judge to decide what you did is wrong. I know I'm giving a civics lesson.

tommymac · 03-31-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by smileyman

They should call it law enforcement, and the laws were passed for the safety of society at large so they cut out the middle man and say 'for safety'.
Most LEOs do not enjoy traffic or speed control but they are pressed to it by guess who? Dpt heads and revenue hungry bureaucrats.

There are rare occasions where it is for a safety issue or civilian complaints but usualy targeted enforcement comes from above like you stated.

in NYC its worse with the parking gestappo. the city would go bankrupt if people parked legally, the city banks on x amount of dollars from parking tickets

smileyman · 03-31-2010, 11:01 AM

I have always been close to city and county governments. Alot of those officers are under pressure to perform from the bean counters. At that small level you have to earn your pay, your ride, your equipment in order to subsidize the govt funds. Or you simply find another job...

Kaneman · 03-31-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rider

How are you going to stop it? There is a fine and penalty for every law on the books. You break the law you pay the penalty and or fine. How can you fight that? You want to beat them, don't speed..

If every citizen who got a speeding ticket refused to pay it something would have to be done to change it.

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Originally Posted by Rider

Cops aren't judges. They don't interpret the laws, they enforce them. 56 in a 55 is breaking the law so they SHOULD be giving you a ticket. Until now, they have been interpreting the speeding law(in your favor). Cops are not supposed to use "judgment". Their job is black and white. It's up to the judge to decide what you did is wrong. I know I'm giving a civics lesson.

Actually, cops are very much supposed to use their judgement and discretion. That is part of their training...or at least it used to be.

VatorMan · 03-31-2010, 11:08 AM

[Quote:]
The current-year budget cuts, proposed last month by County Executive Isiah Leggett (D), were designed to get a jump on a shortfall next fiscal year that officials have estimated could reach $608 million.

But during the council's session Tuesday, Montgomery budget director Joe Beach said that a drop-off in state and federal revenue and in speed-camera proceeds, plus a rising tally of snow-removal costs, could push the shortfall to $690 million.[/quote]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020903482.html

They have already quit talking safety in my county-it's all about the revenue. Towns have started petitioning the state for a cut of the cameras located in "their" areas.

Rider · 03-31-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaneman

Actually, cops are very much supposed to use their judgement and discretion. That is part of their training...or at least it used to be.

Sure on things that aren't clearly defined. Laws are very well defined so if you break the law, you get a ticket/arrested/fined or a combination of the 3. If it's bullshit, we have judges who can dismiss your case or lesson your charge.

sherri_chickie · 03-31-2010, 11:10 AM

If tickets were about " safety" they would ticket the idiots on the road going 10 or 20 K under the speed limit pissing off the other drivers just trying to drive the posted speed (on clear roads of course) They are just as dangerous as speeders. This town is full of idiots in the fast lane going WELL under the posted limit..GRR

Particle Man · 03-31-2010, 11:13 AM

I drove to work the other day (about 35 miles) and saw 10 cops.

A friend of mine had to call 911 because he got in a fender bender and it took the cops almost 3 hours to show up.

Safety my ass.

smileyman · 03-31-2010, 11:24 AM

When I am in the cage or commuting I really don't speed, but if they catch me in the Ozarks back roads they wont have to use any judgment or discretion. All they have to do is figure out how to catch a ton up sportbike or 4. Which they can and sometimes do.

Particle Man · 03-31-2010, 04:10 PM

wanna make a ton of money for your particular organization LEO's?

Listen closely:

Ticket people who sit in the left lane and you can leave the speed cushion alone.

You'll probably make 5X the $$.

Problem solved AND you'll actually do some good preventing congestion.

03-31-2010, 11:01 AM	#13
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	I have always been close to city and county governments. Alot of those officers are under pressure to perform from the bean counters. At that small level you have to earn your pay, your ride, your equipment in order to subsidize the govt funds. Or you simply find another job... __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

03-31-2010, 11:13 AM	#18
Particle Man Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central NY Moto: 2003 SV650S Posts: 14,959	I drove to work the other day (about 35 miles) and saw 10 cops. A friend of mine had to call 911 because he got in a fender bender and it took the cops almost 3 hours to show up. Safety my ass. __________________ I'm not "fat." I'm "Enlarged to show texture." Handle every stressful situation like a DOG: If you can't eat it or hump it, pi$$ on it & walk away.

03-31-2010, 11:24 AM	#19
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	When I am in the cage or commuting I really don't speed, but if they catch me in the Ozarks back roads they wont have to use any judgment or discretion. All they have to do is figure out how to catch a ton up sportbike or 4. Which they can and sometimes do. __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

03-31-2010, 04:10 PM	#20
Particle Man Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central NY Moto: 2003 SV650S Posts: 14,959	wanna make a ton of money for your particular organization LEO's? Listen closely: Ticket people who sit in the left lane and you can leave the speed cushion alone. You'll probably make 5X the $$. Problem solved AND you'll actually do some good preventing congestion. __________________ I'm not "fat." I'm "Enlarged to show texture." Handle every stressful situation like a DOG: If you can't eat it or hump it, pi$$ on it & walk away. Last edited by Particle Man; 03-31-2010 at 04:18 PM..

03-31-2010, 11:08 AM	#15
VatorMan Wrap Yo Ass in Fiberglass Join Date: Feb 2008 Moto: Feet Posts: 1,605	[Quote:] The current-year budget cuts, proposed last month by County Executive Isiah Leggett (D), were designed to get a jump on a shortfall next fiscal year that officials have estimated could reach $608 million. But during the council's session Tuesday, Montgomery budget director Joe Beach said that a drop-off in state and federal revenue and in speed-camera proceeds, plus a rising tally of snow-removal costs, could push the shortfall to $690 million.[/quote] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020903482.html They have already quit talking safety in my county-it's all about the revenue. Towns have started petitioning the state for a cut of the cameras located in "their" areas.

03-31-2010, 11:10 AM	#17
sherri_chickie WERA Yellow Plate Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Calgary Moto: Gs500F Posts: 683	If tickets were about " safety" they would ticket the idiots on the road going 10 or 20 K under the speed limit pissing off the other drivers just trying to drive the posted speed (on clear roads of course) They are just as dangerous as speeders. This town is full of idiots in the fast lane going WELL under the posted limit..GRR