Canada on Strike! Well....the mail is. - Page 2

Particle Man · 06-27-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsunami

I go to the mailbox about once every 2 weeks at the most just to clean it out so my mailman doesn't get mad at me. Then getting rid of that pile of junk is such a PITA

Can't do that around here - people go to mailboxes where stuff has built up and stead cc applications with pre-printed name/addresses on them.

Papa_Complex · 06-24-2011, 12:51 PM

Actually they aren't on strike; they were locked out. The Posties were doing a series of rotating strikes, that apparently cut mail volumes roughly in half, so management closed the doors.

The majority of the money made by Canada Post, today, is from 'bulk commercial mail' (ie. "junk mail"), and from commercial parcel shipping. There are businesses, that are losing thousands of dollars a week, because post is still the most cost effective and efficient way to move their product. I haven't delivered on a CD of pictures I took on a recent charity ride, because I can't mail them.

While mail might not be as needed, as it has been in the past, there are still times that it makes sense. I can send a letter or CD/DVD across Toronto, for $0.59. I can send the same thing to Summit Roadhouse, NWT, for exactly that same amount. I've shipped computers to remote northern areas of Quebec. You don't want to know what the couriers would charge for that, if they even go there. Most don't; they keep to the more lucrative areas.

Rangerscott · 07-03-2011, 11:32 PM

I wouldn't give two shits if the US mail shut down. Way to many fucking lazy people work there. They just want the benefits and expect to get paid for doing the less amount of work. Those mail trucks brought on the laziness ten fold. I can't count the number of times those lazy fucks wont get out of them to drop off a box, but they'll slide that "Come pick up your shit" note in your mail box.

My gramps was a mail man for 30 years or more and he walked his route every fucking day. Even when they started getting those vehicles he told them he didnt want one but they give him one any ways. He'd just go park it somewhere and walk his route.

My favorite was when I mailed a letter 3 states over and it took 3 months to reach it's destination. I never use US postal unless I absolutely have to or someone request it.

Rangerscott · 07-03-2011, 11:33 PM

I wouldn't give two shits if the US mail shut down. Way to many fucking lazy people work there. They just want the benefits and expect to get paid for doing the least amount of work. Those mail trucks brought on the laziness ten fold. I can't count the number of times those lazy fucks wont get out of them to drop off a box, but they'll slide that "Come pick up your shit" note in your mail box.

My gramps was a mail man for 30 years or more and he walked his route every fucking day. Even when they started getting those vehicles he told them he didnt want one but they give him one any ways. He'd just go park it somewhere and walk his route.

My favorite was when I mailed a letter 3 states over and it took 3 months to reach it's destination. I never use US postal unless I absolutely have to or someone request it.

OneSickPsycho · 07-05-2011, 08:13 PM

Bullshit... Not sure what you have up there, but I'm SURE you have strict government inflicted regulations which include checks and a system to ensure workers have the ability to make claims which will involve an investigation.

Your situation is slightly different, you work in some genuinely rough conditions that may deserve higher pay... That said, if they want people to do the job and stay, they'll pay people right with or without the union.

Beyond that, there are plenty of factory union jobs where you don't need any sort of skills or knowledge, and aren't in brutal, dangerous type atmospheres where higher pay is deserved. You don't DESERVE any paycheck, you EARN one... If you don't have skills or education, you get them... It's that simple.

Again, I see no purpose for unions other than to keep themselves alive...

shmike · 07-06-2011, 10:10 AM

Anyone working 40+ hours a week DESERVES $50k a year!?!

Edit: I had to go back and quote it just to make sure I didn't read that wrong.

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Originally Posted by Apoc

As far as wages, yes, a postal worker deserves 50k/year. So does anyone else who works 40+ hours a week. 20-30k is not an acceptable wage to work full time and raise a family on, no matter what you guys think.

Particle Man · 07-06-2011, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Bullshit... Not sure what you have up there, but I'm SURE you have strict government inflicted regulations which include checks and a system to ensure workers have the ability to make claims which will involve an investigation.

Your situation is slightly different, you work in some genuinely rough conditions that may deserve higher pay... That said, if they want people to do the job and stay, they'll pay people right with or without the union.

Beyond that, there are plenty of factory union jobs where you don't need any sort of skills or knowledge, and aren't in brutal, dangerous type atmospheres where higher pay is deserved. You don't DESERVE any paycheck, you EARN one... If you don't have skills or education, you get them... It's that simple.

Again, I see no purpose for unions other than to keep themselves alive...

Exactly.

Apoc, it's great that you have a union that actually does what it needs to do to protect its workers. I can say that I've been part of a few in my time and they were more concerned with keeping themselves alive than with actually protecting their members. From everyone else I've talked to who is a part of a union, it's the same story.

06-24-2011, 12:51 PM	#2
Papa_Complex Nomadic Tribesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brampton, Canada Moto: '09 ER-6n Posts: 11,150	Actually they aren't on strike; they were locked out. The Posties were doing a series of rotating strikes, that apparently cut mail volumes roughly in half, so management closed the doors. The majority of the money made by Canada Post, today, is from 'bulk commercial mail' (ie. "junk mail"), and from commercial parcel shipping. There are businesses, that are losing thousands of dollars a week, because post is still the most cost effective and efficient way to move their product. I haven't delivered on a CD of pictures I took on a recent charity ride, because I can't mail them. While mail might not be as needed, as it has been in the past, there are still times that it makes sense. I can send a letter or CD/DVD across Toronto, for $0.59. I can send the same thing to Summit Roadhouse, NWT, for exactly that same amount. I've shipped computers to remote northern areas of Quebec. You don't want to know what the couriers would charge for that, if they even go there. Most don't; they keep to the more lucrative areas. __________________ "Everything's better with pirates." - Lodge, "Dorkness Rising" http://www.morallyambiguous.net/ Last edited by Papa_Complex; 06-26-2011 at 04:13 PM..

07-03-2011, 11:32 PM	#3
Rangerscott Viff6N Mutated Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Moto: '01 Honda VFR 800 & '09 ER-6N Posts: 8,704	I wouldn't give two shits if the US mail shut down. Way to many fucking lazy people work there. They just want the benefits and expect to get paid for doing the less amount of work. Those mail trucks brought on the laziness ten fold. I can't count the number of times those lazy fucks wont get out of them to drop off a box, but they'll slide that "Come pick up your shit" note in your mail box. My gramps was a mail man for 30 years or more and he walked his route every fucking day. Even when they started getting those vehicles he told them he didnt want one but they give him one any ways. He'd just go park it somewhere and walk his route. My favorite was when I mailed a letter 3 states over and it took 3 months to reach it's destination. I never use US postal unless I absolutely have to or someone request it.

07-03-2011, 11:33 PM	#4
Rangerscott Viff6N Mutated Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Moto: '01 Honda VFR 800 & '09 ER-6N Posts: 8,704	I wouldn't give two shits if the US mail shut down. Way to many fucking lazy people work there. They just want the benefits and expect to get paid for doing the least amount of work. Those mail trucks brought on the laziness ten fold. I can't count the number of times those lazy fucks wont get out of them to drop off a box, but they'll slide that "Come pick up your shit" note in your mail box. My gramps was a mail man for 30 years or more and he walked his route every fucking day. Even when they started getting those vehicles he told them he didnt want one but they give him one any ways. He'd just go park it somewhere and walk his route. My favorite was when I mailed a letter 3 states over and it took 3 months to reach it's destination. I never use US postal unless I absolutely have to or someone request it.

07-05-2011, 08:13 PM	#5
OneSickPsycho Ride Like an Asshole Join Date: Feb 2008 Moto: nothing... Posts: 11,254	Bullshit... Not sure what you have up there, but I'm SURE you have strict government inflicted regulations which include checks and a system to ensure workers have the ability to make claims which will involve an investigation. Your situation is slightly different, you work in some genuinely rough conditions that may deserve higher pay... That said, if they want people to do the job and stay, they'll pay people right with or without the union. Beyond that, there are plenty of factory union jobs where you don't need any sort of skills or knowledge, and aren't in brutal, dangerous type atmospheres where higher pay is deserved. You don't DESERVE any paycheck, you EARN one... If you don't have skills or education, you get them... It's that simple. Again, I see no purpose for unions other than to keep themselves alive...