Why Are Black Bikers More Likely to Die in Crashes than Whites? - Page 2

Amorok · 10-01-2010, 09:44 PM

This story is racist!

Akilldema · 10-01-2010, 10:38 PM

please don't ban me.

Homeslice · 10-01-2010, 10:27 PM

So then what is the reason? Are they claiming that hospitals don't bother taking care of Black people?

I'd be more inclined to believe that it's because Black people tend to live in more congested areas, therefore it takes longer for help to respond.

tommymac · 10-01-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

So then what is the reason? Are they claiming that hospitals don't bother taking care of Black people?

I'd be more inclined to believe that it's because Black people tend to live in more congested areas, therefore it takes longer for help to respond.

I wouldnt think so, ems response times in NYC arent too bad even in the ghetto areas. Plus these ER's see a lot more trauma than your rural or suburban ER's do so the servies there are usualy prety good betwwen ER, trauma surgery and orthopedics.

Flexin · 10-01-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tommymac

I wouldnt think so, ems response times in NYC arent too bad even in the ghetto areas. Plus these ER's see a lot more trauma than your rural or suburban ER's do so the servies there are usualy prety good betwwen ER, trauma surgery and orthopedics.

I was thinking the same thing. When I was doing my Firefighting on the job training I did it in the city. And medical call we had the EHS van pulled up right behind us. Outside the city I hear it can be 20 minutes or so at times.

James

Smittie61984 · 10-02-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymac

I wouldnt think so, ems response times in NYC arent too bad even in the ghetto areas. Plus these ER's see a lot more trauma than your rural or suburban ER's do so the servies there are usualy prety good betwwen ER, trauma surgery and orthopedics.

Here in Atlanta the hood is right next to Grady Hospital which is a Level 1 trauma center. The next Level 1 trauma is 200 miles away and that one is in the hood too. White folks get POS Level 3/4 traumas and crap response times. Our level 2s belong to the Mexicans.

I'll give a racist guess as to why. Black riders are more likely to buy fast bikes but wear Harley gear.

OneSickPsycho · 10-02-2010, 10:38 AM

It's a conspiracy to keep a brotha down...

No seriously, I think motorcycles hate black people.

Amber Lamps · 10-02-2010, 12:49 PM

Okay, I'm not taking the bait on this one and almost didn't even open it considering the OP but here's what I think.

1. Regardless of what bikes are being ridden or how, the stats concern what happens AFTER an accident. The question isn't "why do blacks get in more accidents on bikes?" If it were then the moronic answers concerning our riding style or choice of equipment, might come into play. As someone already pointed out, " 50mph crash is a 50mph crash regardless of what type of bike you are on."

2. I personally believe that it is a lack of health insurance. Yes, I know that if you show up at the emergency room, they will treat you. I also know that hundreds/thousands of dollars worth of bills will begin flowing into your mailbox afterwards. Contrary to apparent popular believe here, low/mid income black people don't get "free" medical care. Believe it or not, some of us even PAY OUR BILLS. I've had to friends die because they got into accidents and left the hospital prematurely or were never treated because of bill fears. I know that it may come as a shock to some of you but at least some of us don't lay around with our hand out waiting for the great white father to provide for our every need. Also, many of us, myself included, don't trust doctors or the medical profession in general.

3. Lastly, I think it may have something to do with the lack of "legacy" when it comes to motorcycling. Most of the black riders that I know are first generation riders. Conversely, many of the white riders I know have had motorcycling in their families for generations. Of course, again, this would fall more into the "why they get in more accidents" line of argument and not the "why do they die afterwards" debate.

It's an interesting debate, minus the obvious racist comments of course, I'd be interested in seeing the raw numbers along with a map of the accident locations and the pertinent crash data-speed, type of bike, gear, etc. I highly doubt that it's in any way the fault of the EMTs or the hospitals.

pauldun170 · 10-01-2010, 11:30 PM

I blame rap music.
Between biker boyz and Ludacris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwhRQYf--KM

brothers simply dont know how to act out on the road.

Drives me nuts sometimes...

Homeslice · 10-02-2010, 12:22 AM

If this was about Black car drivers, I would blame it on the way they sit with only 1 inch of the head visible thru the glass.

10-01-2010, 09:44 PM	#1
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10-01-2010, 10:27 PM	#3
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	So then what is the reason? Are they claiming that hospitals don't bother taking care of Black people? I'd be more inclined to believe that it's because Black people tend to live in more congested areas, therefore it takes longer for help to respond.

10-02-2010, 10:38 AM	#7
OneSickPsycho Ride Like an Asshole Join Date: Feb 2008 Moto: nothing... Posts: 11,254	It's a conspiracy to keep a brotha down... No seriously, I think motorcycles hate black people.

10-02-2010, 12:49 PM	#8
Amber Lamps Moto GP Star Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14,556	Okay, I'm not taking the bait on this one and almost didn't even open it considering the OP but here's what I think. 1. Regardless of what bikes are being ridden or how, the stats concern what happens AFTER an accident. The question isn't "why do blacks get in more accidents on bikes?" If it were then the moronic answers concerning our riding style or choice of equipment, might come into play. As someone already pointed out, " 50mph crash is a 50mph crash regardless of what type of bike you are on." 2. I personally believe that it is a lack of health insurance. Yes, I know that if you show up at the emergency room, they will treat you. I also know that hundreds/thousands of dollars worth of bills will begin flowing into your mailbox afterwards. Contrary to apparent popular believe here, low/mid income black people don't get "free" medical care. Believe it or not, some of us even PAY OUR BILLS. I've had to friends die because they got into accidents and left the hospital prematurely or were never treated because of bill fears. I know that it may come as a shock to some of you but at least some of us don't lay around with our hand out waiting for the great white father to provide for our every need. Also, many of us, myself included, don't trust doctors or the medical profession in general. 3. Lastly, I think it may have something to do with the lack of "legacy" when it comes to motorcycling. Most of the black riders that I know are first generation riders. Conversely, many of the white riders I know have had motorcycling in their families for generations. Of course, again, this would fall more into the "why they get in more accidents" line of argument and not the "why do they die afterwards" debate. It's an interesting debate, minus the obvious racist comments of course, I'd be interested in seeing the raw numbers along with a map of the accident locations and the pertinent crash data-speed, type of bike, gear, etc. I highly doubt that it's in any way the fault of the EMTs or the hospitals.

10-02-2010, 12:22 AM	#10
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	If this was about Black car drivers, I would blame it on the way they sit with only 1 inch of the head visible thru the glass.