Judge dismisses suit over NJ teen driver decals

[pauldun170]

If this is something you disagree with, then you should petition your local government.
This is not a constitutional issue unless you can somehow prove that in all circumstances operating a motor vehicle which is a specific mode of transportation is an essential liberty covered by one the amendments AND that the amendment in question has been incorporated through the 14th amendment to apply to the states.

Its all tits and ice cream to claim that everything under the sun is a right, but legally the bill of rights is not applicable for everything we have grown accustomed too.

[Kaneman]

So a Government can take away Constitutional freedoms but not add additional freedoms not covered in the original paperwork? Transportation, even as an idea, was so vastly different then from what we have now that I'm not sure why the original Constitution should be expected to cover this.

Nor am I arguing that State government should not have any control over public roads. I'm not anti-speed limit, stop signs etc, etc. I'm extremely anti-drunk driver and believe in the enforcement of reasonable traffic laws by state or local police departments. However, I disagree with being required by the State to identify yourself as being part of a specific population segment such as a teenager.

Rights, like privileges may be taken away. Therefore it is not necessary to look at driving as a "privilege" that the Government has complete control over to believe in the common-sense need for certain legislation. The overall view that open-travel is a luxury afforded to us only as a government allowed luxury is dangerous.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

So a Government can take away Constitutional freedoms but not add additional freedoms not covered in the original paperwork? Transportation, even as an idea, was so vastly different then from what we have now that I'm not sure why the original Constitution should be expected to cover this.

Nor am I arguing that State government should not have any control over public roads. I'm not anti-speed limit, stop signs etc, etc. I'm extremely anti-drunk driver and believe in the enforcement of reasonable traffic laws by state or local police departments. However, I disagree with being required by the State to identify yourself as being part of a specific population segment such as a teenager.

Rights, like privileges may be taken away. Therefore it is not necessary to look at driving as a "privilege" that the Government has complete control over to believe in the common-sense need for certain legislation. The overall view that open-travel is a luxury afforded to us only as a government allowed luxury is dangerous.

The Government cannot "take away" your constitutional freedoms without having to face the courts. We have more freedoms today than we have EVER had in the history of this country.

The government tossing legislative or regulatory bullshit is another issue and the voters are responsible for that.
Whose idea do you think it was for these stickers?
Donna Weeks, mother of Kyleigh D’Alessio whose death in 2006 resulted in citizens petitioning their local representatives to creat Kyleigh's Law. The law thats forcing these stickers.
Dont blame government. Blame your neighbors for using their constitutional rights to petition government. Blame your other neighbors for being both ignorant and apathetic towards their local government.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

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Dont blame government. Blame your neighbors for using their constitutional rights to petition government. Blame your other neighbors for being both ignorant and apathetic towards their local government.

Oh I do, I certainly do. But then there's always a bit of brainwashing that comes from Govt. control as well isn't there?

[Avatard]

The Russians kept the population from moving freely about the country. It was part and parcel to their control mechanisms. Perhaps people need to start thinking about it a little more as a right, or face being controlled.

Just a thought.

As for the increased scrutiny upon teens, I can tell you that my daughter has already had to face a ticket at the hands of a cop intent only to harass. I fear further for her now.

[Kaneman]

I remember well being a teenage driver and constantly being pulled over and written completely bullshit tickets. It was only 10 years ago for me,

But you'll never convince the average American that they're being controlled. People as a majority still very much want to be told what to do and where to do, as long as it is in an indirect manner in the name of some various safety or security. To them, the more technology and power the govt' has to keep those baddies in their cages is all good. Its been said here numerous times, "Don't do nothing wrong and you have nothing to worry about." And that really is the honest mentality of most Americans.

So you can move, but I don't know where you'd go....or you can adapt.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Avatard

The Russians kept the population from moving freely about the country. It was part and parcel to their control mechanisms. Perhaps people need to start thinking about it a little more as a right, or face being controlled.

Just a thought.

As for the increased scrutiny upon teens, I can tell you that my daughter has already had to face a ticket at the hands of a cop intent only to harass. I fear further for her now.

You are free to travel where ever you like. Free from interference. You don't even have to pay.

Ya just gotta use your feet.

[wildchild]

Originally Posted by Avatard

As for the increased scrutiny upon teens, I can tell you that my daughter has already had to face a ticket at the hands of a cop intent only to harass. I fear further for her now.

my son had the thrill of a cop's gun in his face. he was pulled over by officer nazi's girlfriend. so mister hero showed up and asked if she needs help. he then proceeds to put son on ground with gun in face to show off for his girl.

when we took it to court he didn't think it was so damn funny. I personally think cops should have to work rotations throughout the state. all the little podunk small town i think i'm a bad ass because they gave me a gun and a badge pricks should have to do at least two weeks a year in the inner city.

yeah who would ever think that pricks who have been given too much authority at too young of an age would ever harass young people without the money or reputation to defend themselves. nah that would never happen.

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by wildchild

my son had the thrill of a cop's gun in his face. he was pulled over by officer nazi's girlfriend. so mister hero showed up and asked if she needs help. he then proceeds to put son on ground with gun in face to show off for his girl.

when we took it to court he didn't think it was so damn funny.

Glad to hear you did something about it. What was the outcome of the case?

[wildchild]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

Glad to hear you did something about it. What was the outcome of the case?

all the charges were dropped except a simple speeding ticket.

hero of course got off with nothing more then a note in his file but at least it was noted.