Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

[defector]

First off, I love this. Thunderdome rules apply!

Second: Read it for yourself, and come to your own conclusion.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by The Chi

While I see what you are saying, the intent of the law is not to pull someone over just because they are brown.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the intent is. Even though the new law requires police to stop anyone who "appears" to be an illegal, I have yet to hear how they are supposed to determine that, simply by looking at them.

Originally Posted by The Chi

Will it get abused? I'm sure. But if its dark outside, someone has a headlight out, and they get pulled over, its not because they are brown, its because they have a headlight out. In the event they get pulled over and they cant establish legitimate residency or provide a valid drivers license or green card, are they supposed to get special treatment because they are brown, red or any other color? Illegal immigrants arent all brown you know...

Again, it goes to probable cause. I have no problem asking for proof of residence status, if you are stopped for an infraction.

Being pulled over solely based on your appearance, is a whole different thing, and that's exactly what this law allows.

JC

[pauldun170]

NO OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY ADOPT A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW.

Arizona has now annointed itself a division of the Department of Homeland Security.

FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON.

A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

As the new self appointed Homeland Security enforcers, cops now get to use the "REASONABLE SUSPICION" probable cause card to get their quota on.
White people generally do not understand why this is such a big deal, but most minorities do. Blacks are REAL familiar with this.
Generally its this vague section of the law that has caused the stink. Its not that (the stink about) Arizona wants to get all hardcore bout immigration. Its because their are millions of americans who have spent there lives dealing with being pulled over and questioned by police simply because of their color. Its folks who have dealth with being pulled over and questioned for driving through a neighborhood where they "don't fit in". Its being harrased for having a conversation in public on a sidewalk.

This issue with this law in Arizona is not so much that mexicans (legal are not) will have to deal with continual butt hurt every time they wear flannel or get caught in a pickup.
The issue is that a lot of Americans have negative experiences with law enforcement abusing power and violating basic rights of citizens and the law in question legitimizes that practice. Specifically if you have look spanish (I'm old school so go fuck your self with "Spain is in europe, your supposed to say Latin American"

Yall should be happy I'm not going around saying colored's and nips...

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

White people generally do not understand why this is such a big deal, but most minorities do. Blacks are REAL familiar with this.

Exactly.

If Arizona's immigration problems stemmed from an influx of pasty faced overwieght Scotsmen, people would be shitting kittens over this law.

JC

[Sean]

LA should leave federal policy to the feds. Pandering for votes is just a distraction...but they know that, that's why they're doing it.

[EpyonXero]

Originally Posted by Sean

LA should leave federal policy to the feds. Pandering for votes is just a distraction...but they know that, that's why they're doing it.

I doubt its about pandering, Im pretty sure that most of LA's city council would be considered suspicious by Arizona's standards.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by EpyonXero

I doubt its about pandering, Im pretty sure that most of LA's city council would be considered suspicious by Arizona's standards.

Ineffective laws that do nothing would be pandering in my book.

[Homeslice]

It's pandering. The only reason LA is boycotting AZ is because of all their Hispanic voters. Same with San Diego.

In fact I'm sick of how this entire country panders to Mexico. Fuck em, IMO. Why even have laws, if they're not going to be enforced?

[pauldun170]

All I know is that if I travel to Arizona, I'm going to find myself being followed by cop cars very closely waiting for me make the slightest mistake.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

All I know is that if I travel to Arizona, I'm going to find myself being followed by cop cars very closely waiting for me make the slightest mistake.

That's what you get for being suspicious looking.

If you truly loved your country, you'd whiten up a little (more).

JC