Judge Blocks Obama's Ban on Offshore Drilling

[nhgunnut]

I am not defending this judge,but the majority of people that have something other than social security as part of their retirement plan have at least some investment in oil companies, banks and health insurance companies. SO I love it when these self righteous morons rant against big companies THEY have invested in through their 401K or other brokered investment.

[pauldun170]

The stop order on offshore drilling is logical considering the information on equipment and practices that came out of the current shennanigans.

With the enviromental and economic impact of the current mess at both the local and national scales, I'd rather a stop order be issued so that other operations could be reviewed rather than...

"Hey guys, yall keep doing what yer doing...we'll be around soon to check ya out"

When a plane blows because of a defective part or design, you ground the whole fleet so you can inspect them.
You don't keep em flying because grounding will hurt the industries stock price.

[EpyonXero]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

The stop order on offshore drilling is logical considering the information on equipment and practices that came out of the current shennanigans.

With the enviromental and economic impact of the current mess at both the local and national scales, I'd rather a stop order be issued so that other operations could be reviewed rather than...

"Hey guys, yall keep doing what yer doing...we'll be around soon to check ya out"

When a plane blows because of a defective part or design, you ground the whole fleet so you can inspect them.
You don't keep em flying because grounding will hurt the industries stock price.

Pretty much.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

The stop order on offshore drilling is logical considering the information on equipment and practices that came out of the current shennanigans.

With the enviromental and economic impact of the current mess at both the local and national scales, I'd rather a stop order be issued so that other operations could be reviewed rather than...

"Hey guys, yall keep doing what yer doing...we'll be around soon to check ya out"

When a plane blows because of a defective part or design, you ground the whole fleet so you can inspect them.
You don't keep em flying because grounding will hurt the industries stock price.

From what I have seen there has mostly been speculation about what happened. We know the blow-off preventer valve failed. There isn't much information beyond that. I suspect there will not be much more information about this specific failure until the valve can be brought up from the bottom months, if not years, from now.

For your airplane comparison, look at TWA 800. It blew up and killed 230 people. There was immediate grounding of 747s as a result. No recommendations were made about the fleet by the NTSB until their final report was released 4 years later. Aircraft fleets are usually not grounded unless there is an identified fault known to affect the whole fleet that poses an immediate danger if not fixed. I don't see all deepwater drilling being at that level.

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

When a plane blows because of a defective part or design, you ground the whole fleet so you can inspect them.
You don't keep em flying because grounding will hurt the industries stock price.

This....

And when you conduct the inspections...and find out that it's not a defective part, it's deliberate corner cutting causing the problem...you bust the ever loving shit out of the people responsible.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by KSGregman

This....

And when you conduct the inspections...and find out that it's not a defective part, it's deliberate corner cutting causing the problem...you bust the ever loving shit out of the people responsible.

Also true, but they don't "bust the ever loving shit out of" the entire airline industry, which would be the comparison to this complete deepwater drilling ban.

[azoomm]

But, in this case it was't JUST the BOP.

If the cement job would have held....
If the riser wasn't displaced with seawater....
If the....

And, the government was notified and approved the capping of this well. The disaster plan of an estimated FIVE MONTHS from TransOcean and BP was approved on the permit. And, now everyone is upset with BP over the fact that it will take five months?



Hell, let's fuck over the entire industry. That's cool....

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by azoomm

But, in this case it was't JUST the BOP.

If the cement job would have held....
If the riser wasn't displaced with seawater....
If the....

And, the government was notified and approved the capping of this well. The disaster plan of an estimated FIVE MONTHS from TransOcean and BP was approved on the permit. And, now everyone is upset with BP over the fact that it will take five months?



Hell, let's fuck over the entire industry. That's cool....

The government is playing it safe.
It would rather risk fucking over the "industry" then fuck over "people".
Once they get the information they need and put together the fancy reports saying "Iz okay" the ban will be lifted.

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by azoomm

If the cement job would have held........

Who approved that type of placement for the cement? From what I read, it was not to industry standards?

Originally Posted by azoomm

If the riser wasn't displaced with seawater....

Who approved this decision? And more importantly...WHY? From what I read, the decision was made in order to save a little time...and a lot of money...against the judgement of the drilling crew.

Originally Posted by azoomm

And, now everyone is upset with BP over the fact that it will take five months?

Fucking off the recovery is only PART of the reason people are upset....the true anger derives from the fact that these people (Transocean and BP and Halliburton and the Federal Regulators charged with over seeing the activities of all of the above....CAUSED this issue....through negligence...corner cutting...attempting to save money rather than be conservative...and safe. Now, 11 people are dead....the Gulf of Mexico (and anywhere else the oil/sludge/tar/gas winds up going) is fucked for YEARS...likely DECADES.

So, um, yeah....people are pissed...and they SHOULD be.

[Papa_Complex]

Seems pretty logical to me too. Since there are a finite number of companies involved, several of which have been implicated in this fiasco, it seems only smart to call a moratorium and check that existing regulations are actually being followed.