Why don't black people tip?

[z06boy]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

It's your responsibility to find out the restaurant's policy. Ignorance of those policies is no excuse. It's written right there on the menu or at the front counter. "An 18% gratuity is automatically added to parties of X or more people." You don't like that policy, you don't have to eat there.

Can't really argue with this either.

[Tmall]

But! Just because they put it on a sign or a menu, doesn't mean you consent to it. There is no implied written or verbal contract stating that I have to follow the policy of the restaurant.

They can't force anything on you, you don't work for them.

As for every single one of you who say something to the effect of, "you should know! If you can't afford to tip don't go eat!" to you I say, get fucked. If you didn't like waiting tables, then you could have done something else for minimun wage. Nobody forced you to work there, just like nobody forces anybody to eat there.

In your capitalistic society, the free market decides. And if I'm not tipping you, I've decided that you didn't deserve it. And there's not a g'damn thing you or the restaurant can or will do about it.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Tmall

But! Just because they put it on a sign or a menu, doesn't mean you consent to it. There is no implied written or verbal contract stating that I have to follow the policy of the restaurant.

Also, where are you getting this information? That's kind of like saying I don't have to wear a shirt even though the store has a sign saying shirts are required.

Like I said, I have no idea whether this will hold up in court. They'll probably dismiss it simply because it's insignificant.......But that doesn't prove that the restaurant wasn't justified.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Also, where are you getting this information? That's kind of like saying I don't have to wear a shirt even though the store has a sign saying shirts are required.

Like I said, I have no idea whether this will hold up in court. They'll probably dismiss it simply because it's insignificant.......But that doesn't prove that the restaurant wasn't justified.

Yea I have to agree with you to an extent... that would be like eating at Outback and afterwards deciding that the steak isn't worth $14.99 so you've decided to only pay $9.99... The cost to play is right on the menu, if you don't like it, you address your grievances BEFORE you get served, not after.

[Rider]

Reparations... that's why they don't tip.

[karl_1052]

Originally Posted by Tmall

But! Just because they put it on a sign or a menu, doesn't mean you consent to it. There is no implied written or verbal contract stating that I have to follow the policy of the restaurant.

That is like saying you don't want to pay for the price on the menu, because you did not agree to it before hand.
You did agree in both instances.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

That is like saying you don't want to pay for the price on the menu, because you did not agree to it before hand.
You did agree in both instances.

That's because he's wrong. Reading that and then continuing on IS an implied contract. Thing is that it's an implied contract to have a gratuity automatically added to the bill at the end of the night and, by definition, a gratuity is a voluntary thing. They can put it on, but you should also be able to take it off based on level of service.

[Homeslice]

Well that didn't seem to work in this case did it? They got arrested.

Had they only been a party of 5, they wouldn't have to pay an automatic gratuity. But they weren't.

Now, will the charge be held up in court? Doubt it.

Have any of you guys waited tables? One of the hardest jobs of my life, actually. You ever get the large table that gips you because 2-3 of the people in the party think they won't be noticed if they don't tip? Classic "I can hide if I'm in a group" mentality. That's what those rules are designed to protect against.

If you don't want to pay the automatic gratuity, why not speak with the manager? Why not tell him exactly what happened, or do you not have the balls? In the vast majority of cases they will do something for you.......Probably even comp your next meal. You'll never know unless you try.

[Fleck750]

If you put the tip on the debit/credit bill, the server has to turn that in for taxes. Leave them cash on the table and they will be much happier.

[Captain Morgan]

Originally Posted by Flexin

I didn't make it a big deal. But I don't like it. I don't think I was ever given one. I have went in places in groups of 6+ before. We get separate bills. I take care of my tip for my own bill.

James

And what if when you ask to split the bill, they tell you they won't do that for parties of 6 or more? I've had that happen too. I've also had them say they'll split it, but they're still adding the gratuity. If they're going to call it gratuity, then I should be able to not pay it. As stated above, gratuity is not an obligation. That said, I normally tip quite well.