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Tq=E.T.
Hp=mph...which do you want?
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And for the record, torque is not relevant as much as is the POWER, which takes into account how much of the torque can be applied over a unit of time. 660lb-ft of torque is worthless if you only see it for 0.5 seconds. Amatuers...LOL
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![]() If something has gobs of torque at only 1,000 rpm but the redline is only 2,000, then your total area under the curve is pretty much shit. Yeah, you could add tons of extra gears to get it up to speed, but I hope you enjoy lots of shifting and lots of weight as well. Last edited by Homeslice; 11-28-2009 at 11:32 PM.. |
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So, what about the 2 speed y2k bike? It has enough tq to only need two long gears.
101, nobody said hp doesn't exist, I'm saying hp is just tq over and over again. There's no denying this. Its the chicken and egg argument, except its "what came first, the cow or the steak?" when its obvious the cow had to be there to produce the steak. |
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Jet engines are NOT about torque. They have insanely long redlines- which is why the Y2K only has two gears. The torque isn't very high, but it's level across the RPM range, and the revs just keep on going- adding up to gobs of power. That engine has to be geared WAY down to be useful when it's connected to a shaft. The turbine/compressor spins very very fast, which is how it moves enough air to make power. (suck squeeze bang blow) (Current) Electrics are all about torque, but it's all at low RPMs. They accelerate fast, and then hit a wall. Which is part of the reason the TTXGP racers barely beat a 50cc IC record. The purpose built "fun" race bikes got up to speed insanely fast, but fried the motors when the current draw overheated everything. You can do all kinds of fun things to improve RPM range directly at the motor (without a trans), but it ain't cheap or reliable (yet).
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That is why it's a 2 speed. It could rev to 100k rpm, if it's not making any tq, it's not going anywhere in a hurry. Our marine gas turbine make 25000hp at about 9500rpm or so. If the calculations are the same for both type of engines, that`s an assload of tq... I just want to reiterate here. I understand horsepower is a measure of the work done by tq and rpms. I would also like to point out that tq that is not free to move is still tq. The object being acted upon is just exerting an equal force to have a total net force of zero. But, you are still applying tq. So again, hp is nothing without tq. But, since we`re talking about engines, and they have to have rpm to operate, then hp is completely and totally dependant on tq. You feel the tq moving you. The hp is just a measure of how much of that tq is being applied at a given rpm. |
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Need to do short hand to keep up. but me it long stroke = torque short = hp but thay coexest so the soluiton is just part of the problem ?
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Force, distance and time are the elements.
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So im saying that if i set my enging up for more torque as much as i can pulling from say 3rd gear should not be a problem yes/no.
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