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Old 04-05-2010, 03:03 PM   #1
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When male rats were given water sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup in addition to a standard diet of rat chow, the animals gained much more weight than male rats that received water sweetened with table sugar, or sucrose, along with the standard diet. The concentration of sugar in the sucrose solution was the same as is found in some commercial soft drinks, while the high-fructose corn syrup solution was half as concentrated as most sodas, including the orange soft drink shown here. (Photo: Denise Applewhite)
High-fructose corn syrup and sucrose are both compounds that contain the simple sugars fructose and glucose, but there at least two clear differences between them. First, sucrose is composed of equal amounts of the two simple sugars -- it is 50 percent fructose and 50 percent glucose -- but the typical high-fructose corn syrup used in this study features a slightly imbalanced ratio, containing 55 percent fructose and 42 percent glucose. Larger sugar molecules called higher saccharides make up the remaining 3 percent of the sweetener. Second, as a result of the manufacturing process for high-fructose corn syrup, the fructose molecules in the sweetener are free and unbound, ready for absorption and utilization. In contrast, every fructose molecule in sucrose that comes from cane sugar or beet sugar is bound to a corresponding glucose molecule and must go through an extra metabolic step before it can be utilized.

This creates a fascinating puzzle. The rats in the Princeton study became obese by drinking high-fructose corn syrup, but not by drinking sucrose. The critical differences in appetite, metabolism and gene expression that underlie this phenomenon are yet to be discovered, but may relate to the fact that excess fructose is being metabolized to produce fat, while glucose is largely being processed for energy or stored as a carbohydrate, called glycogen, in the liver and muscles.
Even at nearly TWICE the concentration, table sugar wasn't as fattening. This should tell you that HFCS is MUCH MORE FATTENING.
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Old 04-05-2010, 03:35 PM   #2
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Even at nearly TWICE the concentration, table sugar wasn't as fattening. This should tell you that HFCS is MUCH MORE FATTENING.
You dont get it, do you? Corn Syrop is very, very bad for you.

SO IS FUCKING TABLE SUGAR.

I dont know what you think you have proved me wrong on. It all comes down to nutrition and food choices. You shouldn't eat either. A tablespoon of corn sugar is only a little worse for you than a tablespoon of table sugar. The problem is, people are eating it by the CUP FULL. There is a half a cup of HFCS is a 355ml can of pepsi. So guess what? Dont drink pepsi. Dont put 5 sugar in your fucking coffee. Dont eat cake like its a rice cake.

Just because something is worse for you, ounce by ounce, than something else, doesnt mean you should eat bucketloads of the one thats not as bad.

Grapeseed oil is better for you than butter too, doesnt mean you should drink a cup of it.

You dont see that what were arguing, is that corn is not to blame. People shoving fistfulls of unhealthy foods down their dumb, greedy fucking mouths is.
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Old 04-05-2010, 03:40 PM   #3
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...People shoving fistfulls of unhealthy foods down their dumb, greedy fucking mouths is.
This....exactly this.
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Old 04-05-2010, 05:13 PM   #4
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You dont get it, do you? Corn Syrop is very, very bad for you.

SO IS FUCKING TABLE SUGAR.
Sorry, table sugar is not NEARLY as bad, according to this latest research, not even at twice the dose was it as fattening as HFCS.

Reading. It's still fundamental.

...and you can get as worked up as you want, but you can't change the findings of this study. Love corn so much? Do your own study. Prove everyone wrong.
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:55 PM   #5
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Sorry, table sugar is not NEARLY as bad, according to this latest research, not even at twice the dose was it as fattening as HFCS.

Reading. It's still fundamental.

...and you can get as worked up as you want, but you can't change the findings of this study. Love corn so much? Do your own study. Prove everyone wrong.
I think this is the jist of what you trying to say...

"High-fructose corn syrup and sucrose are both compounds that contain the simple sugars fructose and glucose, but there at least two clear differences between them. First, sucrose is composed of equal amounts of the two simple sugars -- it is 50 percent fructose and 50 percent glucose -- but the typical high-fructose corn syrup used in this study features a slightly imbalanced ratio, containing 55 percent fructose and 42 percent glucose. Larger sugar molecules called higher saccharides make up the remaining 3 percent of the sweetener. Second, as a result of the manufacturing process for high-fructose corn syrup, the fructose molecules in the sweetener are free and unbound, ready for absorption and utilization. In contrast, every fructose molecule in sucrose that comes from cane sugar or beet sugar is bound to a corresponding glucose molecule and must go through an extra metabolic step before it can be utilized."

Of course the underlying problem is still not corn, but HFCS eaten in too large of quantities with little to no exercise.
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I think this is the jist of what you trying to say...
Really? What clued you in? The fact that I quoted that shit already?

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tard, lots of stuff that apoc is reiterating was proved wrong in the various sources i posted. He , nor homeslice nor any of the other nay-sayers have yet to post conflicting data from a single source.
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There seems to be a fundamental difference in the way Fructose and Glucose are metabolized, and this is apparently made far worse by the ratio of these two sugars in HFCS.

It's all there in the article, if you REALLY read it.
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There seems to be a fundamental difference in the way Fructose and Glucose are metabolized...
Actually, I'm more interested in the fundamental difference between the food choices that fat people make versus the food choices that fit people make.

Don't want to get fat? Eat whole foods...in sensible portion sizes every 2 hours...and exercise. PAY ATTENTION...ensure that the calories you burn off each day exceed or equal the calories you consume.

No scientific study or internet pissing contests required. It really IS that simple. *shrug*
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Actually, I'm more interested in the fundamental difference between the food choices that fat people make versus the food choices that fit people make.

Don't want to get fat? Eat whole foods...in sensible portion sizes every 2 hours...and exercise. PAY ATTENTION...ensure that the calories you burn off each day exceed or equal the calories you consume.

No scientific study or internet pissing contests required. It really IS that simple. *shrug*
Well, part of it IS body type, but most fat people got that way because they were simply lazy. I'm lucky enough to have a fairly high metabolism and after literally two years of eating nothing but fast food and not working out, I've only jumped from 14% BF to 20% with a gain of about 20 lbs. Throw a person with different genetics on that same diet and no exercise and they'll blow up real quick. However, I saw the writing on the wall and knew I couldn't continue with that routine, so started eating right and working out again. But it's just been a couple weeks and I've only been lifting (no cardio), so no significant results yet.

Most fat people realize they're starting to get fat, but simply don't care or are too lazy to take care of it right away. Then it gets to the point where it would be a ton of work (pun intended) to lose all that weight and get in shape. Since they're lazy by nature, they continue to not care and tell themselves it would be too much work. They probably don't even realize just how much better they would feel if they were to get back in shape.

It's very difficult for me to make time to get my ass back in shape. I'm not a morning person, by any means, so I can't drag my ass out of bed early enough to work out then. But if I work out too late at night, then I have trouble going to sleep, making it even more difficult to get up in the morning. I've settled on working out in the evenings after work, but that takes time away from my daughter. It's a balancing act, but I know I have to lead a good example for my daughter, and if she sees me working out and trying to stay in shape, I have a better chance of her being healthy and not ending up like her mother (see above)

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