Why don't black people tip?

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Well that's kind of the point, without the tip system good, prompt service will NOT be the given in any restaurant because you will have minimum wage employees who make the same whether or not you get good service.

Thats a good point, tips does stand for To Insure Proper Service. I think a lot of jobs should be performance based anyway but in the case of servers it doesnt always hold up when you get people who dont tip.

Tom

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Well that's kind of the point, without the tip system good, prompt service will NOT be the given in any restaurant because you will have minimum wage employees who make the same whether or not you get good service.

But the assumption that a tip is a given does nothing to reinforce that level of service. Far too many people expect what is not their due, these days.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

But the assumption that a tip is a given does nothing to reinforce that level of service. Far too many people expect what is not their due, these days.

True.

And unfortunately, far too many give a [generous] tip because it is expected rather than as a reflection of service which prepetuates the cycle.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

But the assumption that a tip is a given does nothing to reinforce that level of service. Far too many people expect what is not their due, these days.

I never said it did. Tips are completely performance based. Do a crappy job get a crappy tip...do a really crappy job and get no tip. Do an exceptional job that really improves a customer's night and get 20% +.

My argument is that it is a great system that allows for quality servers who strive to do a good job and earn their money. When I'm throwing $40 + down for a meal for my wife and I the service is almost as important as the food, it needs to be stellar and I'm happy to tip well when it is.

When the service is bad it puts a real damper on everything else. If, as some are suggesting, we were to do away with the tip system and make servers salaried employees the level of service would go way down to the point that people (like myself) would just stop going out to eat.

Its not about, "Well if you don't like not getting tipped get a different job", that's complete bullshit. The world needs servers and the task they perform. Going out to eat, for me, is something to look forward to, something that brings joy and something fun...and that's not something to be pissed away because some people are too cheap to leave a tip because, "they don't agree with the system."

You would pay MORE for your meal after all was said and done without the tip system. At least this way someone is striving to really earn that cash. And if they don't....well they don't get it. Performance based systems are beautiful.

[CrazyKell]

Am I speaking English?

Time after time on this forum people choose to read what they want to read. They choose to hear what they want to hear. And they'll beat that dead horse into the ground because they want to.

I feel like that kid in the freakout video and if I see a remote in the next 5 seconds I'm going to try and shove it up my ass.

[marko138]

Originally Posted by CrazyKell

Am I speaking English?

Time after time on this forum people choose to read what they want to read. They choose to hear what they want to hear. And they'll beat that dead horse into the ground because they want to.

I feel like that kid in the freakout video and if I see a remote in the next 5 seconds I'm going to try and shove it up my ass.

Um, welcome to the internet.

[CrazyKell]

Originally Posted by marko138

Um, welcome to the internet.

I credit the internet with giving me the "remote up the ass" idea. It's too late now. I can't unsee what I've seen.

Oh and as a complete aside....I cannot stand the 'welcome to the internet' comeback because it lacks both insight and creativity. A lowest common denominator comeback if there ever were one. I give certain forum members more credibility for their debating skills....so when one falters my faith in the system falters.

(and for those of you fucktards who are going to jump all over me because that's what you like to do with every post of mine......look up TONGUE IN CHEEK and then get back to me).

ps. I'm feeling saucy today!

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by CrazyKell

I credit the internet with giving me the "remote up the ass" idea. It's too late now. I can't unsee what I've seen.

Oh and as a complete aside....I cannot stand the 'welcome to the internet' comeback because it lacks both insight and creativity. A lowest common denominator comeback if there ever were one. I give certain forum members more credibility for their debating skills....so when one falters my faith in the system falters.

(and for those of you fucktards who are going to jump all over me because that's what you like to do with every post of mine......look up TONGUE IN CHEEK and then get back to me).

ps. I'm feeling saucy today!

So could we resort to, your mama jokes then

Tom

[z06boy]

Yeah I made a comment about SOME places in Europe serving beer at room temperature because THEY DO WITH A CERTAIN TYPE OF BEER and I got a lesson in beer that I wasn't even looking for and didn't need.

The fact that room temperature when it comes to beer is WARM to me...well another lesson that I didn't need was given as to the true definition of warm.

Yep that's the internet...like it or not.


Where's that remote ?

[marko138]

Originally Posted by CrazyKell

I credit the internet with giving me the "remote up the ass" idea. It's too late now. I can't unsee what I've seen.

Oh and as a complete aside....I cannot stand the 'welcome to the internet' comeback because it lacks both insight and creativity. A lowest common denominator comeback if there ever were one. I give certain forum members more credibility for their debating skills....so when one falters my faith in the system falters.

(and for those of you fucktards who are going to jump all over me because that's what you like to do with every post of mine......look up TONGUE IN CHEEK and then get back to me).

ps. I'm feeling saucy today!

I said to the internet because clearly it's your first day here and you don't know how forums work, crazy lady.