Speaking of Buell and the AMA/DMG Roadracing Series... - Page 10

Amber Lamps · 06-03-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rsv1000R

I didn't say better, I said more hp, nowhere does that mean it's better. I didn't care my bike had about the same hp as a 600, I did care that it had more torque and it's at a lower rpm, and it delivered the power once per rpm instead of twice.

And like I said that torque advantage goes away once you equalize the max rpm.

Hmmm... I'm not as smart as you so maybe I don't understand. Are you saying that there comes a point when 80+ ft/lbs of torque is not "better" than 45 ft/lbs of torque?

Rsv1000R · 06-03-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

It's not "strange", I got that number directly from Buell, if they are lying then okay. I didn't make the number up or anything. As far as the 600s go, I've seen many dyno runs from 600s...they make about 110-110hp stock.

Okay I check Motorcyclist and the 1125 they dyno'd made 129hp and 82 ft/lbs.

A 600RR made 106hp and 45 ft/lbs

There is that better? So your bike "only" makes 20 more horses and 35 more ft/lbs of torque stock... well what was I thinking? You're right in light of this new evidence I declare that it is perfectly acceptable for Buell to race this 1125cc bike against 600s. Heck, a 1098 only dyno's in at 139hp why not just strap an extra 20 lbs onto it and let it race in this class too?

It makes 20 more hp, once you account for gearing the torque isn't going to be much different between them.

And all you need is to get the AMA to okay your 1098, and you're all set. BTW I think the GSXR750 only makes 129hp......

Amber Lamps · 06-03-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by marko138

I knew you'd come around.

You know Mark, I sure wish yo would have come to the rally. I bet you would have been a shitload of fun!!!

Rsv1000R · 06-03-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

Hmmm... I'm not as smart as you so maybe I don't understand. Are you saying that there comes a point when 80+ ft/lbs of torque is not "better" than 45 ft/lbs of torque?

Yes. If the 45 is at twice the rpm of the 80 it's the equivalent of 90 ft/lbs...

Amber Lamps · 06-03-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rsv1000R

It makes 20 more hp, once you account for gearing the torque isn't going to be much different between them.

And all you need is to get the AMA to okay your 1098, and you're all set. BTW I think the GSXR750 only makes 129hp......

Yea I know... I wonder why no one is racing it? Come on I bet the rules won't allow it or someone would. I'm calling Michael Jordan! Yo Mike how'd you like to race in a class that you can't lose in? Since the rules use a rider+bike power to weight set-up, I might have a chance even with my fat ass!

Rsv1000R · 06-03-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

Yea I know... I wonder why no one is racing it? Come on I bet the rules won't allow it or someone would. I'm calling Michael Jordan! Yo Mike how'd you like to race in a class that you can't lose in? Since the rules use a rider+bike power to weight set-up, I might have a chance even with my fat ass!

No you wouldn't

The bikes are for the most part equal (or there abouts).

If you were racing Mat and Ben on stock 1000's how many laps until you think they'd pass you? Me? Maybe 3......

And I think the 1098 probably doesn't pass the dyno test, as I think the 858 make ~130.

Amber Lamps · 06-03-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rsv1000R

No you wouldn't

The bikes are for the most part equal (or there abouts).

If you were racing Mat and Ben on stock 1000's how many laps until you think they'd pass you? Me? Maybe 3......

And I think the 1098 probably doesn't pass the dyno test, as I think the 858 make ~130.

Hey I was talking about racing a 750 against the 1125s...

I think that I could hang with Michael Barnes for a few laps anyway....

Rsv1000R · 06-03-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

Hey I was talking about racing a 750 against the 1125s...

I think that I could hang with Michael Barnes for a few laps anyway....

Well then DMG has a class made for you....

Tmall · 06-03-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

Hmmm... I'm not as smart as you so maybe I don't understand. Are you saying that there comes a point when 80+ ft/lbs of torque is not "better" than 45 ft/lbs of torque?

YES!!!

Hp is an equation. So, Hp=(Tq X Rpm)/5252

So, if you have 55 tq but 17000 rpm you have 178hp.

Now, 85tq and 11000rpm and you have 178hp.

So, in this case, lower tq or not. The engine is doing the same work..

Amber Lamps · 06-03-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

YES!!!

Hp is an equation. So, Hp=(Tq X Rpm)/5252

So, if you have 55 tq but 17000 rpm you have 178hp.

Now, 85tq and 11000rpm and you have 178hp.

So, in this case, lower tq or not. The engine is doing the same work..

Seriously I'm stupid... so if I have a '97 YZF1000 with 130hp and 80 ft/lbs or a 2008 GSXR 750 with 130hp and 65 ft/lbs of torque or a 2006 GSXR1000 with 160hp and 85 ft/lbs of torque and they all redline about the same, which is better? I mean most 1000s redline around 13,000 so why are they faster than 600s that redline at your 17,000? I seriously don't get it. Basically, a 600 that redlined at 20,000 will beat a 'busa at the dragstrip because of it's higher rpms? Huh?