Strict Abortion Measures Enacted in Oklahoma

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by CrazyKell

And as for the "myth" part. Of course it's a decision and is weighed by anyone who's ever done it. And of course they feel something. But there is this view put out there that every woman who has an abortion regrets it for the rest of her life and is never the same and....blah blah blah. It's just not like that for everyone or even half as many as they would have you believe.

For a very good portion it was a choice they made. The RIGHT choice for them. No regrets. No spending years wondering "what if". None of that. Just done and move on. Doesn't make them callous or a whore.

I'm sorry, what?

I made the decision. I don't regret it. But, I am most certainly haunted by it. It was the absolute right decision, there is no doubt in my mind. BUT, I remember it like it was yesterday. The same goes for each woman I have talked to that has been through it.

It isn't as though I would break down in tears over it when it's brought up. But, it's something I went through that was VERY traumatic. Both physically [I distinctly remember being told to not scream], and emotionally [cried for a week].

Anyone that tells you they simply moved on is not telling you the whole truth.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by CrazyKell

Nose jobs are for the most part stupid and unneccessary (as is a lot of plastic surgery),

For Sarah Jessica Parker it would definitely be an improvement

[the chi]

You're semi right.

Im prochoice to the extent that its a womans right to have an abortion and that no one needs to tell her what she can do with her body or her fetus. Nor should an individual or government take those rights from her.

Im anti murder, which to me waiting until after you're pregnant because you were too foolish to take better precations in the first place is murder (not including having to abort because of previously stated health issues, lifethreatening complications etc). I dont however had any hard fast rules on the term limitations for my beliefs.

Aborting is not birth control, its as stated: aborting. Removing the fetus from your system.

See the definition of Birth Control:

Birth control: Birth control is the use of any practices, methods, or devices to prevent pregnancy from occurring in a sexually active woman. Also referred to as family planning, pregnancy prevention, fertility control, or contraception; birth control methods are designed either to prevent fertilization of an egg or implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus.

By definition birth control is to prevent pregnancy. If it has already occurred, how is abortion birth control?

[Trip]

Originally Posted by The Chi

You're semi right.

Im prochoice to the extent that its a womans right to have an abortion and that no one needs to tell her what she can do with her body or her fetus. Nor should an individual or government take those rights from her.

Im anti murder, which to me waiting until after you're pregnant because you were too foolish to take better precations in the first place is murder (not including having to abort because of previously stated health issues, lifethreatening complications etc). I dont however had any hard fast rules on the term limitations for my beliefs.

Aborting is not birth control, its as stated: aborting. Removing the fetus from your system.

See the definition of Birth Control:

By definition birth control is to prevent pregnancy. If it has already occurred, how is abortion birth control?

Birth control to me is preventing delivery of the child, not conception. Birth is the delivery aspect, that's why it's called your birthday. That definition should be called conception control as it was probably written by someone who is pro-life.

As far as your anti murder stance, you pretty much eliminated most women who use abortion. If you are against people using their choice, you are not exactly pro choice. You are a pro-life individual who thinks abortion could be used in health/extreme circumstances.

[the chi]

Originally Posted by Trip

Birth control to me is preventing delivery of the child, not conception. Birth is the delivery aspect, that's why it's called your birthday. That definition should be called conception control as it was probably written by someone who is pro-life.

As far as your anti murder stance, you pretty much eliminated most women who use abortion. If you are against people using their choice, you are not exactly pro choice. You are a pro-life individual who thinks abortion could be used in health/extreme circumstances.

Regardless of how you want to word it, birth control is by it's very definition to prevent pregancy therefore based on definition, abortion is not birth control. It's aborting something that's already ther, thus why it's called abortion.

You've still got me wrong however. I've clearly stated it's each Womans choice and no one, not you me or the pope has the right to challenge her right to abort or do what she will with her body and fetus. That in itself makes me pro choice.

I won't judge a woman for her choice, other than those that choose to be irresponsible and in my opinion abuse the practice( again as previously stated, as like I said, it's them that make the pro lifers arguments get merit where they normally wouldn't), won't tell her she shouldn't have an abortion (which would be pro life), I simply state that to me, individually, aborting a VIABLE fetus is murder. That is only MY opinion, and regardless of how I personnally feel about it, I still firmly believe it's a womans choice.

If that makes me pro murder on this matter, so be it. But again, that defines me as pro choice.

Now if I said it's murder and shouldn't be allowed, THAT would make me pro life/anti abortion, and that my friend is most definitely not the case.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by The Chi

Regardless of how you want to word it, birth control is by it's very definition to prevent pregancy therefore based on definition, abortion is not birth control. It's aborting something that's already ther, thus why it's called abortion.

You've still got me wrong however. I've clearly stated it's each Womans choice and no one, not you me or the pope has the right to challenge her right to abort or do what she will with her body and fetus. That in itself makes me pro choice.

I won't judge a woman for her choice, other than those that choose to be irresponsible and in my opinion abuse the practice( again as previously stated, as like I said, it's them that make the pro lifers arguments get merit where they normally wouldn't), won't tell her she shouldn't have an abortion (which would be pro life), I simply state that to me, individually, aborting a VIABLE fetus is murder. That is only MY opinion, and regardless of how I personnally feel about it, I still firmly believe it's a womans choice.

If that makes me pro murder on this matter, so be it. But again, that defines me as pro choice.

Now if I said it's murder and shouldn't be allowed, THAT would make me pro life/anti abortion, and that my friend is most definitely not the case.

Definition directly from Wikipedia:

Birth control is a regimen of one or more actions, devices, sexual practices, or medications followed in order to deliberately prevent or reduce the likelihood of pregnancy or childbirth.

Notice the "OR CHILDBIRTH."

It goes on.

There are three main routes to preventing or ending pregnancy: the prevention of fertilization of the ovum by sperm cells ("contraception"), the prevention of implantation of the blastocyst ("contragestion"), and the chemical or surgical induction or abortion of the developing embryo or, later, fetus. In common usage, term "contraception" is often used for both contraception and contragestion.

Hey, look it says abortion.

As I said before you specifically cherry picked a definition that agrees with your belief. The one I just cherry picked agrees with mine. So next time, actually read what I wrote that the definition you picked was based from a pro-lifer. Yes, people specifically bias things for their beliefs and put them in writing and publish them...

So you won't judge them, but you will call them murderers. That is basically the jist of judging them... Murder is a crime, if you are pro murder and you don't care that they are murdering, that's just retarded.

Basically your arguments contradict themselves and you have no idea what's going on.

[the chi]

You still dont get it man, and it's not worth continuing to argue about. You obviously see abortion as birth control. I don't. I deliberately did not use wiki as it is not a good source because anyone can decide the definition.

I do see it as murder, and I can feel that way about it without thinking ill of another person for doing so. precisely because I also believe it's a womans choice. Consider it a strange twist if my mind, but to me it's like the death penalty. Shooting poison into a mans veins is murder, however I wholeheartedly support the death penalty.

Just like in this instance, you can't tell me I'm wrong because it's my beliefs and each person has the right to believe what they want. There is no right or wrong on the decision to abort except what is in that persons beliefs. The wrong is trying to make a person believe that yours is the right way and is just as wrong as the state trying to take the rights away.

I accept your argument for your belief and I don't fault you for it even if I disagree, have the courtesy to do the same for me even if you don't understand where I'm coming from.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by The Chi

You still dont get it man, and it's not worth continuing to argue about. You obviously see abortion as birth control. I don't. I deliberately did not use wiki as it is not a good source because anyone can decide the definition.

I do see it as murder, and I can feel that way about it without thinking ill of another person for doing so. precisely because I also believe it's a womans choice. Consider it a strange twist if my mind, but to me it's like the death penalty. Shooting poison into a mans veins is murder, however I wholeheartedly support the death penalty.

Just like in this instance, you can't tell me I'm wrong because it's my beliefs and each person has the right to believe what they want. There is no right or wrong on the decision to abort except what is in that persons beliefs. The wrong is trying to make a person believe that yours is the right way and is just as wrong as the state trying to take the rights away.

I accept your argument for your belief and I don't fault you for it even if I disagree, have the courtesy to do the same for me even if you don't understand where I'm coming from.

I don't get it cause you don't make sense. Calling someone a murderer is judging them, but you say it's not judging them. Murder is a definition that deals with the unlawful intent. The death penalty where it's legal does not fit it because it's lawful intent, not unlawful intent. Abortion is the same way.

I can offer up more than wikipedia. There are numerous dictionary sources, newspaper articles, and other sources that recognize abortion as birth control.

This is a discussion board, if you do not wish to discuss your point of view, don't post. So don't give me any of this, it's my point of view so don't try to make me believe what you believe shit.

[azoomm]

How is abortion murder? Oh, it depends on how you define when a fetus is actually a human.....

Trip, why men have little right here, they always have a choice to pit it in the hole. That is my point about rape. I know there is more to it in other situations....

[the chi]

Youre right, it is a discussion thread. But trying to tell someone their pov is wrong because you dont understand or agree and thus discarding their post makes you the simple minded person who apparently can't have a courteous discussion when you disagree.