speaking of tips: arrested for not paying - Page 3

Particle Man · 11-20-2009, 10:09 AM

Anytime I've gotten shitty service and have a group large enough to merrit the "mandatory gratuity" I've called the manager over ahead of time and explained that the server was less than stellar and that the tip will reflect that. I have yet to have a problem.

Part of this story is missing on either the restaurant or the patrons' side

Ineffable · 11-20-2009, 09:43 PM

This has happened to me before and I just came across this article thought everyone might have some comments.

Couple arrested for not paying tip

When I was living in Houston a bunch of my friends and I went out to Baker Street Pub and Grill in the Woodlands. We went there pretty often and a lot of the other guys had complained about the bills being way to high. I marked it up to them drinking to much and forgetting what they ordered. So this night I decided to keep a running tab on my phone of everything we ordered. After a night of heavy drinking everyone except myself (DD) was pretty intoxicated some waitress (notice I didn't say THE waitress) brings us our bill. If memory serves it was somewhere in the neighborhood of $930 which honestly wasn't unusual for us when we went out. I thought it was strange she brought it over since we had been ordering drinks all night at the bar on a tab. I started looking over the receipt and I noticed several drinks we didn't order and a 15% gratuity added. When I asked the bar tender about it he said that the waitress came and got the drinks in question for us. We were all sitting at the same table that night and not once did we ever see the waitress nor did she ever bring drinks over. I knew exactly what was ordered because I was the drink bitch that night to monitor what was spent since we were using the company card. I asked to speak with the manager and told him the situation, I spoke with him for about 20 minutes and the waitress flat out lied and said she had been serving us, direct quote, 'hand and foot' all night. He said the bill stands and that he stood by his waitress (which I can understand, give him a + for being a good boss) however I told him that at the LEAST we will go ahead and pay for the 80 or 90 dollars in drinks we didn't order but we were NOT going to pay the 15% gratuity (around 120 dollars) because like I said we had been ordering at the bar and tipping the bar tender in cash which he confirmed.

The manager called the cops and after everything was explained one of the officers pulled me outside and even said that they get this all the time here and there is nothing they can do about it. So to make a long story short we paid the bill then were banned (which was dumb on there part since we spent around 3k a week there between the 10 of us) so we told the manager to fuck off, gave the bartender a $50 went home and canceled the charge on the card.

I think the whole forced tip on the receipt is BS, I understand that some people don't tip or tip crappy but I have noticed when a restaurant puts it on the bill then the service goes down because the waiter/waitress knows they are going to get a tip regardless.

Ineffable · 11-20-2009, 10:11 PM

Guess this is a re-post, just saw it in the News Desk. Sorry

the chi · 11-21-2009, 12:46 PM

Good story tho...merging with other thread...

tommymac · 11-21-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Chi

Good story tho...merging with other thread...

Linking threads together is a gift.

takes true postwhoring talents to do that

Tmall · 11-21-2009, 10:40 AM

But there is no obligation to pay it. Unless she told you before you ordered that you would be subject to a "have more than 4 friends" tax.

tommymac · 11-21-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

But there is no obligation to pay it. Unless she told you before you ordered that you would be subject to a "have more than 4 friends" tax.

A lotof places here have it posted on a sign in the restaurant, but these are also the fridays/holuihan type places that will get a lot of younger groups in there who will order up a ton of stuff and leave a dollar tip regardless.

Sadly I had a group of friends who did that and left others to pay for a chunk of the bill. I would have to fork over like 40 bucks for a burger and some beers because other jackasses in my group wouldnt even pay thier share, and a few times I paid more just ot leave a decent tip if the server was good.

Tom

Kaneman · 11-21-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

But there is no obligation to pay it. Unless she told you before you ordered that you would be subject to a "have more than 4 friends" tax.

Its part of the bill dude, you gotta pay. If you got shitty service you have to take it up with the manager and try to get it removed...which I can't imagine being a problem at 99% of all restaurants.

Tmall · 11-21-2009, 10:49 AM

I don't know what you don't understand. They can't add things to your bill because they feel like it.

I don't know what planet you live on, but unless you are made aware that you will be charged extra, you can't be held accountable for it.

Even if the police arrest you, it doesn't mean you're guilty, it means they've responded to a complaint and charged you. This does not equal guilt.

Kaneman · 11-21-2009, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tmall

I don't know what you don't understand. They can't add things to your bill because they feel like it.

I don't know what planet you live on, but unless you are made aware that you will be charged extra, you can't be held accountable for it.

Even if the police arrest you, it doesn't mean you're guilty, it means they've responded to a complaint and charged you. This does not equal guilt.

Its been made clear to you that there are numerous notifications that gratuity is added to parties of 8 or more. This has been going on for at least 10 years, its nothing new.

You guys crack me up though.

11-20-2009, 10:09 AM	#1
Particle Man Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central NY Moto: 2003 SV650S Posts: 14,959	Anytime I've gotten shitty service and have a group large enough to merrit the "mandatory gratuity" I've called the manager over ahead of time and explained that the server was less than stellar and that the tip will reflect that. I have yet to have a problem. Part of this story is missing on either the restaurant or the patrons' side __________________ I'm not "fat." I'm "Enlarged to show texture." Handle every stressful situation like a DOG: If you can't eat it or hump it, pi$$ on it & walk away.

11-20-2009, 09:43 PM	#2
Ineffable Kneedragger Join Date: May 2008 Location: Boulder CO Moto: 2009 KTM RC8 Posts: 166	ANOTHER tip thread, forced gratuity This has happened to me before and I just came across this article thought everyone might have some comments. Couple arrested for not paying tip When I was living in Houston a bunch of my friends and I went out to Baker Street Pub and Grill in the Woodlands. We went there pretty often and a lot of the other guys had complained about the bills being way to high. I marked it up to them drinking to much and forgetting what they ordered. So this night I decided to keep a running tab on my phone of everything we ordered. After a night of heavy drinking everyone except myself (DD) was pretty intoxicated some waitress (notice I didn't say THE waitress) brings us our bill. If memory serves it was somewhere in the neighborhood of $930 which honestly wasn't unusual for us when we went out. I thought it was strange she brought it over since we had been ordering drinks all night at the bar on a tab. I started looking over the receipt and I noticed several drinks we didn't order and a 15% gratuity added. When I asked the bar tender about it he said that the waitress came and got the drinks in question for us. We were all sitting at the same table that night and not once did we ever see the waitress nor did she ever bring drinks over. I knew exactly what was ordered because I was the drink bitch that night to monitor what was spent since we were using the company card. I asked to speak with the manager and told him the situation, I spoke with him for about 20 minutes and the waitress flat out lied and said she had been serving us, direct quote, 'hand and foot' all night. He said the bill stands and that he stood by his waitress (which I can understand, give him a + for being a good boss) however I told him that at the LEAST we will go ahead and pay for the 80 or 90 dollars in drinks we didn't order but we were NOT going to pay the 15% gratuity (around 120 dollars) because like I said we had been ordering at the bar and tipping the bar tender in cash which he confirmed. The manager called the cops and after everything was explained one of the officers pulled me outside and even said that they get this all the time here and there is nothing they can do about it. So to make a long story short we paid the bill then were banned (which was dumb on there part since we spent around 3k a week there between the 10 of us) so we told the manager to fuck off, gave the bartender a $50 went home and canceled the charge on the card. I think the whole forced tip on the receipt is BS, I understand that some people don't tip or tip crappy but I have noticed when a restaurant puts it on the bill then the service goes down because the waiter/waitress knows they are going to get a tip regardless.

11-20-2009, 10:11 PM	#3
Ineffable Kneedragger Join Date: May 2008 Location: Boulder CO Moto: 2009 KTM RC8 Posts: 166	Guess this is a re-post, just saw it in the News Desk. Sorry

11-21-2009, 10:40 AM	#6
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	But there is no obligation to pay it. Unless she told you before you ordered that you would be subject to a "have more than 4 friends" tax.

11-21-2009, 10:49 AM	#9
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	I don't know what you don't understand. They can't add things to your bill because they feel like it. I don't know what planet you live on, but unless you are made aware that you will be charged extra, you can't be held accountable for it. Even if the police arrest you, it doesn't mean you're guilty, it means they've responded to a complaint and charged you. This does not equal guilt.