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I give Squids a bad name
Join Date: Mar 2008
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My problem with governmetn healthcare is someone like me who eats healthy, doesn't smoke, exercises, and doesn't stay at home drinking beer and eating hotwings yelling at a TV screen will be FORCED to pay for that person who doesn't eat healthy, doesn't exercise, smokes, and stays at home drinking beer and eating hot wings yelling at a tv screen. The private sector always provides the best solutions and I prefer keeping it that way. The only reason our private insurance is fucked up now is because of government interaction. Not to mention there is no constitutionality (American) to taking someone else's wealth and giving it to someone else which is also morally wrong.
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"Bust a nut inside your eye, to show you where I come from" "f youre horny, lets do it, Ride it, my pony, My saddles waitin, Come and jump on it, If youre horny, lets do it" "I'm not a playa I just fuck a lot" "Round two, I'm down to Do, what it takes to make you Understand I'm the Candyman And I melt in your mouth, not in your hands Hard as rock, yes I'm no sucka The boots I knock make me one bad mutha" |
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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My biggest problem with the American system, when I was there is how even if you have a job, you may not have adequate insurance. That a ' doctor" working for an HMO gets to decide if you get a procedure or medication when they have never seen you and get bonuses for turning down procedures, therefore saving money. I think that the last thing a sick person needs is to worry about how they are going to afford their treatment or if their insurance will pay for it.
And it is not just people with bad lifestyles that end up needing the hospital. Cancer can hit anyone, heart disease can be heriditary, and anyone can have an accident and end up in serious condition. I have a coworker with the healthiest habits of anyone I know who is having serious headaches right now and having to go through tests. I think there is a way for everyone to have insurance and it be well run and not stupidly expensive. European countries have it better than we do, maybe look at their models closer. I am not saying the current proposal in the states is the right way to do it, but I think something has to change. Besides when a family goes bankrupt from medical bills, it affects all other industries as well. |
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
Usually mis-attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville. I'm fine with him not being the one who said it. He strikes me as having been a douche of the highest order. I find the statement especially interesting considering we recently passed the point where over half of the public has no federal income tax liability. |
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But, each side can give you answers to fit the situation you are looking for. I'm curious where you got your $4000 tab for children? I had two children and paid a total of $250 for EACH child. Granted, I don't recall what my monthly payments were - but I wasn't making a lot of money at the time, and neither was my ex-husband. I had a low level Blue Cross/Blue Shield insurance plan... and that price included all prenatal vitamins, hospital stay, doctor visits, and followup. Maybe times have changed THAT MUCH in 15 years ![]() Let's see, I have recently had a few procedures that weren't emergent - and were completely covered by insurance. Ooops, $25 co-pay. My husband even hurt himself trying to fly a motorcycle sideways - dislocated heel, copays for the doc and urgent care. The most expensive thing I've paid for recently is $3,000 for my daughter's braces. Canada cover that one? Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness... is this qualified under "life"?
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As far as something having to change I do agree with you. My problem is two concepts that I think would have large effects on the system as a whole are being ignored by those crafting the legislation. If the bill doesn't offer the ability to purchase insurance across state lines or contain some restrictions on medical malpractice lawsuits it tells me that those writing the bill would rather appease their lobbyists than craft effective legislation. |
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Can Canadian doctors or health practitioner be sued?
Do they carry malpractice insurance?
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gun totin redneck
Join Date: Apr 2008
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A lot of the screaming here in the states come from people who want to have what the other guy has without taking the risks or responsibilities that the other guy took to get it. As I said there is a lot to Admire about the Canadian system , having experienced it I would not choose to subject myself to it again.
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The other factor is because Canadian doctors don't concern themselves with lawsuits as much they supposedly practice less defensive medicine. While lawsuits account for less than 1% of the cost of healthcare in America some estimates say defensive medicine accounts for 10% or more of America's healthcare costs (in 05 Medicare's administrator told Congress it was 9%). |
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