"stand your ground" doesn't work

RACER X · 07-12-2012, 09:08 AM

Coleman points to a recent study by Texas A&M University which concludes that in the 24 states with self-protection laws, including Texas, homicide rates have increased 8 percent on average.

That research by the University's Department of Economic is also concluded "stand your ground" type laws have had no deterrent effect on burglary, robbery and aggravated assault.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/La...p/-/index.html

actual research paper:

http://www.click2houston.com/blob/vi...ctrine-pdf.pdf

jtemple · 07-12-2012, 10:50 AM

Shooting someone in self defense is still labeled "homicide".

I bet if you remove those cases from the results, the numbers go down.

Just about any statistical analysis I have read about is full of smoke & mirrors in an effort to push the writers' agenda. Very rarely do I see something that is truly objective and thorough.

CasterTroy · 07-12-2012, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtemple

Very rarely do I see something that is truly objective and thorough.

WERD!!!

However I did get a good dose of non-bias media when it came to US news and happenings from the BBC when I was over in the UK.

That was refreshing.

No Spins, no dick sucking a party or political figure, just straight poop.

nhgunnut · 07-12-2012, 03:17 PM

Honestly Whether it is a Deterrent is irrelevant, "Stand Your Ground" is About Defense not Deterrent. If you use deadly force to defend yourself your family or anyone else you don't need the weight of the criminal legal system falling on me. It is bad enough that lives will be changed for ever, that regardless of the legitimacy of the action, civil actions and media lynch mob are likely to persecute you and your family.

Captain Morgan · 07-12-2012, 05:44 PM

I did a research paper in college about the death penalty that basically found the same thing. Pickpockets would be sentenced to death by hanging. However, at the hanging of said pickpocket, all of his buddies would be in the crowd picking pockets.

Adeptus_Minor · 07-13-2012, 02:07 AM

Well, maybe it doesn't stop others, but it stops the one in question

"Death Therapy, Bob. It's a guaranteed cure. "

fatbuckRTO · 07-13-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor

Well, maybe it doesn't stop others, but it stops the one in question

Exactly. Same argument as the death penalty, for me. I don't give one solid crap about mass deterrence. I want the individual committing the crime, or who has committed the crime, to be stopped.

And I don't want to face a jury's decision for defending my family. Juries are stupid. They are my peers, after all...

ETA: I mean, well, pretty much what nhgunnut said...

Gas Man · 07-15-2012, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtemple

Shooting someone in self defense is still labeled "homicide".

I bet if you remove those cases from the results, the numbers go down.

Just about any statistical analysis I have read about is full of smoke & mirrors in an effort to push the writers' agenda. Very rarely do I see something that is truly objective and thorough.

Exactly. The study is scewed to support the author's premise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nhgunnut

Honestly Whether it is a Deterrent is irrelevant, "Stand Your Ground" is About Defense not Deterrent. If you use deadly force to defend yourself your family or anyone else you don't need the weight of the criminal legal system falling on me. It is bad enough that lives will be changed for ever, that regardless of the legitimacy of the action, civil actions and media lynch mob are likely to persecute you and your family.

Great Post!! AMEN!! Law on my side or not, I will stand my ground. It's that simple. This land was built on such prinicpals.

jtemple · 07-15-2012, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Grseat Post!! AMEN!! Law on my side or not, I will stand my ground. It's that simple. This land was built on such prinicpals.

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Captain Morgan · 07-16-2012, 06:24 AM

Did you know there is a correlation between ice cream sales and drownings? As ice cream sales have increased, so have drownings. Therefore, we must ban ice cream.

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RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	"stand your ground" doesn't work Coleman points to a recent study by Texas A&M University which concludes that in the 24 states with self-protection laws, including Texas, homicide rates have increased 8 percent on average. That research by the University's Department of Economic is also concluded "stand your ground" type laws have had no deterrent effect on burglary, robbery and aggravated assault. http://www.click2houston.com/news/La...p/-/index.html actual research paper: http://www.click2houston.com/blob/vi...ctrine-pdf.pdf __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

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nhgunnut gun totin redneck Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South West New Hampshire Moto: turbo busa 999 Duc Goldwing & Victory Posts: 1,130	Honestly Whether it is a Deterrent is irrelevant, "Stand Your Ground" is About Defense not Deterrent. If you use deadly force to defend yourself your family or anyone else you don't need the weight of the criminal legal system falling on me. It is bad enough that lives will be changed for ever, that regardless of the legitimacy of the action, civil actions and media lynch mob are likely to persecute you and your family. __________________ Evolution requires a body count, Count or be Counted!

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Adeptus_Minor Hopster Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin, TX Moto: 2009 Buell 1125R Posts: 4,743	Well, maybe it doesn't stop others, but it stops the one in question "Death Therapy, Bob. It's a guaranteed cure. " __________________ “Well, obviously before; after was all gendarmes and dick stitches.”

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07-12-2012, 10:50 AM	#2
jtemple Geek Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Papillion, Nebraska Moto: 2011 Husqvarna TE630 Posts: 1,437	Shooting someone in self defense is still labeled "homicide". I bet if you remove those cases from the results, the numbers go down. Just about any statistical analysis I have read about is full of smoke & mirrors in an effort to push the writers' agenda. Very rarely do I see something that is truly objective and thorough.

07-12-2012, 05:44 PM	#5
Captain Morgan Let's do another U-turn Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indiana Moto: 2009 V-Strom Posts: 3,816	I did a research paper in college about the death penalty that basically found the same thing. Pickpockets would be sentenced to death by hanging. However, at the hanging of said pickpocket, all of his buddies would be in the crowd picking pockets.

07-16-2012, 06:24 AM	#10
Captain Morgan Let's do another U-turn Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indiana Moto: 2009 V-Strom Posts: 3,816	Did you know there is a correlation between ice cream sales and drownings? As ice cream sales have increased, so have drownings. Therefore, we must ban ice cream.