Teaching newbies to ride.

[Amorok]

[QUOTE=Trip;365934]MSF is not a tiered system. It's one class/one tier. The tiered system in Europe allows you to advance through the levels of bikes and progress.

There is no progression plan in the MSF. It's here's some basic shit, now go out into the world.[QUOTE]There is progression, the same as the classes you described in Europe. The BRC teaches basic motorcycle skills such as clutch control, braking, etc. The ERC teaches more advanced skills such as anticipating curves, moving atg a higher rate of speed. And the parking lot speeds? In the ERC they're moving at much slower tht road speeds but they get up to 25 in some excercies. Coincidentally, this is the speed limit for most of the base.

[QUOTE=Trip;365934]The euro training courses I am referring to, does go through the noob basics and you progress to actual street riding and further beyond that. It's a true progression of skill to the point where you are qualified to ride on the road safely without needing further training where as the average rider is not ready for the street right out of MSF.[QUOTE]I agree that more training is needed, you're not ready to race out of an MSF course. That's why I give my students information on riding groups and encourage them to come ride with us.

Originally Posted by Trip

Another reason for my dislike is the level of skill of the teachers that I experienced. I don't know the skill of racer x, but I am sure it is high level. That's not the case in my class. The ridercoaches I came in contact with, weren't high level riders. Yey, they can read from a book and give basic commands. Congrats, you deserve to teach people something you can barely do yourself... Sorry, if someone I care about is going to learn to ride, I want a teacher who actually has a sufficient amount of skill in the subject.

Knowing what I know now about the area and what the ridercoaches told us in class, it makes me laugh. They were the ones that actually believe and relayed the misinformation/rumors about deals gap and they did that in class.

I can't speak for that, I don't know your instructors. I do know that I have to be able to perform the exercises I put the students through with a high level of accuracy, and I do my best. I try not to relay misinformation, but nobody's perfect man, not even those vaunted European instructors. Like I said, at the rally this year I'm going to try to put together part of one of the exercises we do, we'll see how it works out.

To answer some others, you can ride your own bike in our BRC/ERC. I encourage it actually, since you should familiarize yourself with what you're riding.

You can score 20 points or below in the course, but it isn't one point for everything. In the quick stop you get one point per foot over the standard for your time. In the swerve you'll get ten points assessed if you hit the obstacle, five for braking during the swerve. So the points are assessed differently depending on the severity of the consequences of what you did. The worse the consequences of that mistake in the real world, the higher the points assessed in the simulation.You can ride the first three test exercises fine, but three mistakes in the cornering exercise will fail you. Which makes sense, since a high percentage of motorcycle accidents involving serious injuries are during turns. Likewise, there are at least five exercises where turning is practices and three or so for swerving (don't have my cards with me) but only two for quick stops.

I don't teach the sport bike course yet, but when they start putting people through the cert course here I have a slot reserved, which means I'm in the market for a sport bike (don't tell Ulu!) There is an MSF street riding course that goes beyond the ERC, there's also a cruiser specific school as well as a dirt bike school. So I can put you through a BRC, an ERC, a sport bike or cruiser course, and a street riding course. How much more tiered do you want?