Gear-up survey results

[Krabill]

I thought you might get a kick out of this, Tigger. Especially the part about the inadequacies of denim

http://www.gearupproject.org/survey/results.html

Here's what someone connected with the survey stated on another forum:

Again . . . take note of the part about wearing jeans . . .

First off, I want to thank so many of you for taking the time to fill out the survey.

You can see the results here http://www.GearUpProject.org/survey/results.html and, because the survey is ongoing, we will be continuing to update them as new submissions come in.

You'll notice a lot of people chose "Other" for the reason they don't always wear a particular piece of gear. In general the reasons they noted were: heat (we moved these to comfort and made notes for manufacturers), that they wore jeans, and that they didn't wear them for short trips, plus a lot of complaints about nowhere to put things when they get to work.

Fortunately, the first two are easy to address. There's plenty of good gear out there that will keep you just as cool as wearing nothing, we just have to educate people on what to look for. There's, obviously, a very common misconception that jeans will protect you in any way (they won't), which is, again simple education. The last is typically surmountable by pointing out that if you have somewhere to hang a coat you have somewhere to hang pants.

The short trips one is going to be a little trickier though. And we'd really appreciate your feedback on how to address it. The problem, if you're not already aware, is that the vast majority of accidents occur very close to home. These short runs to the store, gas station, or work are precisely when you are most likely to get into an accident. Unfortunately statistics aren't enough to convince people, and we need to overcome the perceived hassle of getting into gear only to get out of it five minutes later.

Part of this may be up to the manufacturers to find ways of constructing garments that are easier, and faster, to get in and out of. But, even if they come up with some trivially easy to wear and comfortable design people will still grumble about having to put it on. We've got some ideas on how to address this, but as I said, we would really appreciate hearing your suggestions too.

[Amber Lamps]

Dude, no offense but this a group of people who think like you. Their stated goal is to convince people like me that they are right. It's not "proof" of anything. You have stated that it's not better than nothing, again that is ridiculous. Anything is better than nothing. I never said that denim is better than leather or even nylon. I prefer to wear it, period. I also wear knee guards and armored shorts if the pace is going to be hot. I even have kevlar jeans, nylon pants and *gasp* leather pants if I feel that the situation warrants them. What I really can't understand is why people like you can't just mind your own business and let people wear whatever they want to ride. You guys are like vegetarians or Moonies or something, yeesh!

[the chi]

Whats a moonie?

Krab, good link, thanks for the info.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by The Chi

Whats a moonie?

Krab, good link, thanks for the info.

A cult.

[Krabill]

I don't make this stuff up. I'm just passing it along.

Clipped from the survey results . . .

[Krabill]

And another one . . .

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Krabill

I don't make this stuff up. I'm just passing it along.

Clipped from the survey results . . .

Yea... but your survey doesn't PROVE that denim is ineffective, it states the premise as a given. Like most surveys, it structures the questions in such a way to forward your own preconceived ideas. Show me some lab tests, not opinions. I could go to any bike night or Harley bar and make up a survey that would show 90% of bikers believe that denim is adequate protection.

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by The Chi

Whats a moonie?

Krab, good link, thanks for the info.

You dont want to know

Hes a cult leader of some church and was in the news quite a bit along time ago.

Tom

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Dude, no offense but this a group of people who think like you. Their stated goal is to convince people like me that they are right. It's not "proof" of anything. You have stated that it's not better than nothing, again that is ridiculous. Anything is better than nothing. I never said that denim is better than leather or even nylon. I prefer to wear it, period. I also wear knee guards and armored shorts if the pace is going to be hot. I even have kevlar jeans, nylon pants and *gasp* leather pants if I feel that the situation warrants them. What I really can't understand is why people like you can't just mind your own business and let people wear whatever they want to ride. You guys are like vegetarians or Moonies or something, yeesh!

Actually I'm the one that said that.

And people like us don't "mind our own business" because people like you post up threads on public internet forums with titles like "My girlfriend is a squid."

Personally I'm grateful for it because I didn't know dick about gear when I started riding. SBN and Cycleforums members saved me some serious pain and scars over the past 10 years. Aside from that I've seen far too many "I wish I would've worn some gear" threads from guys like you over the years as well.
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[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Actually I'm the one that said that.

And people like us don't "mind our own business" because people like you post up threads on public internet forums with titles like "My girlfriend is a squid."

Personally I'm grateful for it because I didn't know dick about gear when I started riding. SBN and Cycleforums members saved me some serious pain and scars over the past 10 years. Aside from that I've seen far too many "I wish I would've worn some gear" threads from guys like you over the years as well.

Nah he jumped in with you...