The sweat lodge trial

L8 Braker · 03-03-2011, 02:01 PM

Full story in link below...

Self-help author stands trial in sweat lodge deaths - CNN

Short story, back in 2009, a bunch of idiots searching for whatever choose willingly to go to a retreat...Part of the retreat involved sitting in extreme temperatures in this sweat lodge for a "re-birthing"...They would go to 8 rounds of sweating, lasting 10-15 minutes per session...

These people were not held against their will, and were never forced to stay...3 people ended up dying due to the heat, and the leader is now charged with manslaughter...

Again, these people were never forced to do anything, yet he's on trial...WTF??...Is personal accountability not even considered in America anymore??

dubbs · 03-03-2011, 02:06 PM

Definitely not his fault if these people willingly joined..

Does it mention anywhere how high the temp was?

CasterTroy · 03-03-2011, 02:07 PM

I say the people themselves.

Shit's getting outta hand any more.

If you're in a drag race on the street and the OTHER person dies, YOU're now charged?!?!! WTF? You didn't MAKE them race, they raced on their own free will....they made a mistake on their own too.

Burglar breaks in thru a skylight and gets hurt on the knife block he fell on and I get sued? THAT bastard decided to break into MY house

Whatever happened to "Oh yeah, well if little Johnny jumped off a building would YOU do it?"

We're legislating common sense, and we should leave that to the Darwin awards.

z06boy · 03-03-2011, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasterTroy

I say the people themselves.

Shit's getting outta hand any more.

If you're in a drag race on the street and the OTHER person dies, YOU're now charged?!?!! WTF? You didn't MAKE them race, they raced on their own free will....they made a mistake on their own too.

Burglar breaks in thru a skylight and gets hurt on the knife block he fell on and I get sued? THAT bastard decided to break into MY house

Whatever happened to "Oh yeah, well if little Johnny jumped off a building would YOU do it?"

We're legislating common sense, and we should leave that to the Darwin awards.

Absofvckinlutely !!!!!!

derf · 03-03-2011, 02:33 PM

There really should be a third option that says it was everyones fault. The leader and participants, they should assumed the risks knowing the dangers, however they were heat stroke victims, and at the point when they should have left they were not in the best state of mind to make a rational decision. Knowing the risks the guy should have had some kind of trained medical personnel (nurses, emts etc...) on hand to prevent this stuff from happening, ensured that only people who were properly hydrated into the sweat lodge, and if people do pass out vomit, or get dizzy, or dissoriented, get them out instead of leaving them in there and just laying them down on the floor.

He should be charged with accidental manslaughter or whatever its called where you killed someone but didnt really mean to.

L8 Braker · 03-03-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by derf

There really should be a third option that says it was everyones fault. The leader and participants, they should assumed the risks knowing the dangers, however they were heat stroke victims, and at the point when they should have left they were not in the best state of mind to make a rational decision. Knowing the risks the guy should have had some kind of trained medical personnel (nurses, emts etc...) on hand to prevent this stuff from happening, ensured that only people who were properly hydrated into the sweat lodge, and if people do pass out vomit, or get dizzy, or dissoriented, get them out instead of leaving them in there and just laying them down on the floor.

He should be charged with accidental manslaughter or whatever its called where you killed someone but didnt really mean to.

Why stop with just this scenario?

Why not allow lawsuits against motorcycle manufacturers?...Or gun makers?...Or swimming pools?...Each comes with an inherent danger of almost immediate death, right?

How about blaming someone for allowing people to live in certain areas?...Florida has hurricanes, California has earthquakes, the Midwest has tornados...I hear those things are dangerous, and if the general population is too dumb to realize it, then it shouldn't be allowed...And if it is, then someone besides them should be held accountable...

People need to quit being stupid morons and take the blame when it's due...If you're an adult, and consciously take a risk where you know there could be an adverse or even deadly outcome, it's your fault...No one else's...

These people were told they would be exposed to extreme heat in the beginning...They chose to take the risk...No one held them by the hand or at gunpoint...They WILLINGLY walked in and then stayed...They are to blame...

Apoc · 03-03-2011, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derf

There really should be a third option that says it was everyones fault. The leader and participants, they should assumed the risks knowing the dangers, however they were heat stroke victims, and at the point when they should have left they were not in the best state of mind to make a rational decision. Knowing the risks the guy should have had some kind of trained medical personnel (nurses, emts etc...) on hand to prevent this stuff from happening, ensured that only people who were properly hydrated into the sweat lodge, and if people do pass out vomit, or get dizzy, or dissoriented, get them out instead of leaving them in there and just laying them down on the floor.

He should be charged with accidental manslaughter or whatever its called where you killed someone but didnt really mean to.

That is manslaughter. Killing without intent. Manslaughter is always accidental by definition.

pauldun170 · 03-03-2011, 02:24 PM

I love how they call it "self help" but in reality its some jerkoff telling you what to do.

Loser in self help isle: "This book made such a difference in my life"
Me: How are you any less of a spineless idiot now than you were prior to reading the book?
Loser: What are those on your feet? are the swimming shoes or something?
Me: No...they are vibram 5 fingers. they are awesome.

ontwo · 03-03-2011, 02:43 PM

I saw a clip of the defense atty. He hit the nail on the head. After they played the tapes of the dude claiming he was god, etc, etc. The atty stood up and said, "We've heard a lot today, but we didn't hear him say, 'You better get in there'"

Personal responsibility is become so rare

defector · 03-03-2011, 03:05 PM

I gotta say the idiots going in there.
For fuck's sake, it's Arizona - between May and November half of the state is a sweat lodge anyway.

ETA - I don't listen to anything anybody who has three names says.
They are a mass murderer - they just haven't been caught yet.

View Poll Results: Who's to blame for the deaths?
The leader of the retreat	1	8.33%
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03-03-2011, 02:01 PM	#1
L8 Braker Swollen Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 558	The sweat lodge trial Full story in link below... Self-help author stands trial in sweat lodge deaths - CNN Short story, back in 2009, a bunch of idiots searching for whatever choose willingly to go to a retreat...Part of the retreat involved sitting in extreme temperatures in this sweat lodge for a "re-birthing"...They would go to 8 rounds of sweating, lasting 10-15 minutes per session... These people were not held against their will, and were never forced to stay...3 people ended up dying due to the heat, and the leader is now charged with manslaughter... Again, these people were never forced to do anything, yet he's on trial...WTF??...Is personal accountability not even considered in America anymore??

03-03-2011, 02:06 PM	#2
dubbs Multistrada Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Manorville, NY Posts: 652	Definitely not his fault if these people willingly joined.. Does it mention anywhere how high the temp was? __________________ Sportbike - 2013 Ducati Multistrada S Touring - Red Luxury Car - 2013 Cadillac ATS 2.0 Turbo - Black Weekend Car - 2003 Honda S2000 - Black Daily Driver - 2011 Toyota Prius - Black Beater - 2005 Honda Civic Hybrid - Dust Colored

03-03-2011, 02:07 PM	#3
CasterTroy ................ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NC Posts: 3,028	I say the people themselves. Shit's getting outta hand any more. If you're in a drag race on the street and the OTHER person dies, YOU're now charged?!?!! WTF? You didn't MAKE them race, they raced on their own free will....they made a mistake on their own too. Burglar breaks in thru a skylight and gets hurt on the knife block he fell on and I get sued? THAT bastard decided to break into MY house Whatever happened to "Oh yeah, well if little Johnny jumped off a building would YOU do it?" We're legislating common sense, and we should leave that to the Darwin awards. __________________ “Being tolerant does not mean that I share another one’s belief. But it does mean that I acknowledge another one’s right to believe, and obey, his own conscience.” Viktor Frankl

03-03-2011, 02:33 PM	#5
derf token jewboy Join Date: Nov 2008 Moto: CBR 900, KLR ugly ass duckling, Gas Man Posts: 10,799	There really should be a third option that says it was everyones fault. The leader and participants, they should assumed the risks knowing the dangers, however they were heat stroke victims, and at the point when they should have left they were not in the best state of mind to make a rational decision. Knowing the risks the guy should have had some kind of trained medical personnel (nurses, emts etc...) on hand to prevent this stuff from happening, ensured that only people who were properly hydrated into the sweat lodge, and if people do pass out vomit, or get dizzy, or dissoriented, get them out instead of leaving them in there and just laying them down on the floor. He should be charged with accidental manslaughter or whatever its called where you killed someone but didnt really mean to. __________________

03-03-2011, 02:43 PM	#9
ontwo Designated Drinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: shitville Moto: 2009 ZX6R Posts: 1,661	I saw a clip of the defense atty. He hit the nail on the head. After they played the tapes of the dude claiming he was god, etc, etc. The atty stood up and said, "We've heard a lot today, but we didn't hear him say, 'You better get in there'" Personal responsibility is become so rare __________________

03-03-2011, 03:05 PM	#10
defector My balls, your chin Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The desert of Az Moto: 929, SV650, YZ250 Posts: 1,917	I gotta say the idiots going in there. For fuck's sake, it's Arizona - between May and November half of the state is a sweat lodge anyway. ETA - I don't listen to anything anybody who has three names says. They are a mass murderer - they just haven't been caught yet. __________________ Reading this signature may give you special powers, including the ability to run through walls. You should try it immediately. Last edited by defector; 03-03-2011 at 03:08 PM..