Who's ready for The Korean War Pt. 2?

goof2 · 05-20-2010, 11:39 AM

NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking Tweet this AP foreign, Thursday May 20 2010
JEAN H. LEE

Associated Press Writers= SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Tensions deepened Thursday on the Korean peninsula as South Korea accused North Korea of firing a torpedo that sank a naval warship, killing 46 sailors in the country's worst military disaster since the Korean War.

President Lee Myung-bak vowed "stern action" for the provocation following the release of long-awaited results from a multinational investigation into the March 26 sinking near the Koreas' tense maritime border. North Korea, reacting swiftly, called the results a fabrication, and warned that any retaliation would trigger war. It continued to deny involvement in the sinking of the warship Cheonan.

"If the (South Korean) enemies try to deal any retaliation or punishment, or if they try sanctions or a strike on us .... we will answer to this with all-out war," Col. Pak In Ho of North Korea's navy told broadcaster APTN in an exclusive interview in Pyongyang.

An international civilian-military investigation team said evidence overwhelmingly proves a North Korean submarine fired a homing torpedo that caused a massive underwater blast that tore the Cheonan apart. Fifty-eight sailors were rescued from the frigid Yellow Sea waters, but 46 perished.

Since the 1950-53 war on the Korean peninsula ended in a truce rather than a peace treaty, the two Koreas remain locked in a state of war and divided by the world's most heavily armed border.

The truce prevents Seoul from waging a unilateral military attack.

However, South Korea and the U.S., which has 28,500 troops on the peninsula, could hold joint military exercises in a show of force, said Daniel Pinkston, a Seoul-based analyst for the International Crisis Group think tank.

South Korean and U.S. officials also said they are considering a variety of options in response to the warship's sinking, ranging from U.N. Security Council action to additional U.S. penalties.

The exchange of war rhetoric raised tensions, but the isolated communist regime — already under international pressure to cease its nuclear weapons program — often warns of dire consequences against South Korea or Washington for any punitive steps against it. Its large but decrepit military would be no match for U.S. and Korean forces.

The impoverished country is already chafing from international sanctions tightened last year in the wake of widely condemned nuclear and missile tests. U.N. sanctions currently block funding to certain officials and companies, while North Korea is barred from exporting weapons and countries are authorized to inspect North Korean ships suspected of carrying illicit cargo.

South Korea "will take resolute countermeasures against North Korea and make it admit its wrongdoings through strong international cooperation," Lee said during a call with Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, the presidential office said. Lee convened an emergency meeting for Friday.

The White House called the sinking an unacceptable "act of aggression" that violates international law and the 1953 truce. Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama declared his support for South Korea, calling North Korea's actions "inexcusable."

China, North Korea's traditional ally, called the sinking of the naval ship "unfortunate" but stopped short of backing Seoul.

Pyongyang continued its steadfast denials of involvement in the sinking.

"Our Korean People's Army was not founded for the purpose of attacking others. We have no intention to strike others first," Col. Pak, the naval spokesman, told APTN in the North Korean capital. "So why should we attack a ship like the Cheonan which has no relation with us, no need to strike it and we have no significance in doing so."

North Korea's powerful National Defense Commission warned the South against provocative acts near their border, and urged the U.S. and Japan to "act with discretion," the state-run Korean Central News Agency said in a dispatch monitored in Seoul.

North Korea has waged a slew of attacks on South Korea since the 1950-53 fighting ended, including the 1987 downing of a South Korean airliner that killed all 115 people on board.

Pyongyang has never owned up to the attacks.

North Korea also disputes the maritime border drawn unilaterally by U.N. forces at the close of the Korean War, and the waters have been the site of several deadly naval clashes since 1999.

Detailed scientific analysis of the wreckage, as well as fragments recovered from the waters where the Cheonan went down, point to North Korea, investigators said.

The bending of the ship's keel backs the theory that an underwater torpedo triggered a shockwave and bubble effect that tore the ship apart, the report said.

The report also cites fractures on the main deck, statements from survivors and a sentry on a nearby island, and fractures and lacerations on the remains of deceased sailors.

Pieces of the torpedo "perfectly match" the schematics of a North Korean-made torpedo Pyongyang has tried to sell abroad, chief investigator Yoon Duk-yong said.

A serial number on one fragment is consistent with markings from a North Korean torpedo that Seoul obtained years earlier, Yoon said.

"The evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that the torpedo was fired by a North Korean submarine," he said. "There is no other plausible explanation."

At Seoul's main train station, scores of people watched raptly as the investigator laid out the evidence against North Korea.

"I'm afraid," said Naima Vela, 26-year-old student from Italy. "I still have a month or two to stay in Seoul and I don't know if I should."

Near the Demilitarized Zone, tourists peered across the border into North Korea.

"As a mother of a boy who is serving his military duty right now, I don't want a war to break out," Jeon Bok-soon said in Paju as she looked across the border into North Korea.

"However if (North Korea) keeps mentioning war, I think we should also show our strong military power," she said.

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Associated Press writers Matthew Lee in Washington, Jay Alabaster in Tokyo, Kelly Olsen and Claire Lee in Seoul, and Chi-Chi Zhang in Beijing contributed to this report.

guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2010

pauldun170 · 05-20-2010, 12:00 PM

That would be awesome if they went to war...
be like fucking splosions n shit..
then we would be all up in them guts and get all shock n awe
shitz be tizzight

We can start hatin on slanty eye again.
Friggin sand people\towel head hate is sooo last year.

Rider · 05-20-2010, 12:24 PM

A couple of nukes dropped on there asses would be sweet. Have us a little yellow tailed BBQ.

Kaneman · 05-20-2010, 12:33 PM

Why can't we, as the nation that bills itself as the most powerful, send in a team of the most highly trained men to cut the head off? We're talking about 2 guys and 1 family since the Korean War. Yes, I realized they are somewhat financially backed by China and what not, but nonetheless....its just two men running that country in our lifetime. Why can't we just kill Kim?

Now, maybe with the level of successful brainwashing in that country it might not matter. If North Korea's citizens truly believe that Americans are satan and that Kim is God...then I guess killing him only makes them more hostile.

On one hand it's hard to believe that an entire populace could be so thoroughly brainwashed and controled, but then again, it happens right here in the USA too so maybe there's something to it.

Its an interesting quandary.

goof2 · 05-20-2010, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Why can't we, as the nation that bills itself as the most powerful, send in a team of the most highly trained men to cut the head off? We're talking about 2 guys and 1 family since the Korean War. Yes, I realized they are somewhat financially backed by China and what not, but nonetheless....its just two men running that country in our lifetime. Why can't we just kill Kim?

Now, maybe with the level of successful brainwashing in that country it might not matter. If North Korea's citizens truly believe that Americans are satan and that Kim is God...then I guess killing him only makes them more hostile.

On one hand it's hard to believe that an entire populace could be so thoroughly brainwashed and controled, but then again, it happens right here in the USA too so maybe there's something to it.

Its an interesting quandary.

As I understand it that was kind of the theory on Iraq. Get rid of the Husseins and the group of enablers around them and all the regular people who have been yearning for freedom would welcome us with open arms. Look at the way the war was initially conducted. The initial bombing campaign was specifically focused on the military and political leadership of the country. The invasion force raced as quickly as possible to Baghdad to contain the leadership while bypassing as much of the population as possible. That population didn't react the way our leaders expected. What you are saying about NK makes sense to me, but that doesn't mean that is what will happen.

Kaneman · 05-20-2010, 01:13 PM

Good points all. Is there an option that does not represent an extreme to either side. On one side you don't do shit and let them eventually develop nuclear missiles, or on the other hand a full-scale invasion.

Like, just kill Kim and a dozen or so underlings and just leave...

Or is the best option in the interest of future well-being to actually take out a majority of the population as Rider says...?

Dave · 05-20-2010, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goof2

As I understand it that was kind of the theory on Iraq. Get rid of the Husseins and the group of enablers around them and all the regular people who have been yearning for freedom would welcome us with open arms. Look at the way the war was initially conducted. The initial bombing campaign was specifically focused on the military and political leadership of the country. The invasion force raced as quickly as possible to Baghdad to contain the leadership while bypassing as much of the population as possible. That population didn't react the way our leaders expected. What you are saying about NK makes sense to me, but that doesn't mean that is what will happen.

Two major differences there. NK isint remotely theocratic (unless you count worship of the glorious leader) and they actually have a national identity. If that kind of option were used I honestly think it would go better

wildchild · 05-20-2010, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Why can't we, as the nation that bills itself as the most powerful, send in a team of the most highly trained men to cut the head off? We're talking about 2 guys and 1 family since the Korean War. Yes, I realized they are somewhat financially backed by China and what not, but nonetheless....its just two men running that country in our lifetime. Why can't we just kill Kim?

Now, maybe with the level of successful brainwashing in that country it might not matter. If North Korea's citizens truly believe that Americans are satan and that Kim is God...then I guess killing him only makes them more hostile.

On one hand it's hard to believe that an entire populace could be so thoroughly brainwashed and controled, but then again, it happens right here in the USA too so maybe there's something to it.

Its an interesting quandary.

because the anti war hippies would protest that as unfair to someones rights, or whatever. it has to be a fair all out war so they know we're coming and then everyone can hold hands and scream about how disgusting and arrogant our nation is and how we should just stay out of everything like switzerland or some shit.

seriously I wish we would do it that way but it does hold a few serious drawbacks. suddenly our elite teams are driven by our leaders and anytime a nation's leader defies us we simply go "cut off the head". could definitely become to easy to become a land of terrorists rather then a super power.

smileyman · 05-20-2010, 02:06 PM

May have to tear a page outta the Mummar Quadaffi play book here. Post our navy, send thru a few cruise missles 'or did Bush use all those?' aimed at Sr leadership, and see who backs down first?

Particle Man · 05-22-2010, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Why can't we, as the nation that bills itself as the most powerful, send in a team of the most highly trained men to cut the head off?

then the whole world would freak out about the "interference of the big bad US" despite the good such an action caused.

05-20-2010, 11:39 AM	#1
goof2 AMA Supersport Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,756	Who's ready for The Korean War Pt. 2? NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking Tweet this AP foreign, Thursday May 20 2010 JEAN H. LEE Associated Press Writers= SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Tensions deepened Thursday on the Korean peninsula as South Korea accused North Korea of firing a torpedo that sank a naval warship, killing 46 sailors in the country's worst military disaster since the Korean War. President Lee Myung-bak vowed "stern action" for the provocation following the release of long-awaited results from a multinational investigation into the March 26 sinking near the Koreas' tense maritime border. North Korea, reacting swiftly, called the results a fabrication, and warned that any retaliation would trigger war. It continued to deny involvement in the sinking of the warship Cheonan. "If the (South Korean) enemies try to deal any retaliation or punishment, or if they try sanctions or a strike on us .... we will answer to this with all-out war," Col. Pak In Ho of North Korea's navy told broadcaster APTN in an exclusive interview in Pyongyang. An international civilian-military investigation team said evidence overwhelmingly proves a North Korean submarine fired a homing torpedo that caused a massive underwater blast that tore the Cheonan apart. Fifty-eight sailors were rescued from the frigid Yellow Sea waters, but 46 perished. Since the 1950-53 war on the Korean peninsula ended in a truce rather than a peace treaty, the two Koreas remain locked in a state of war and divided by the world's most heavily armed border. The truce prevents Seoul from waging a unilateral military attack. However, South Korea and the U.S., which has 28,500 troops on the peninsula, could hold joint military exercises in a show of force, said Daniel Pinkston, a Seoul-based analyst for the International Crisis Group think tank. South Korean and U.S. officials also said they are considering a variety of options in response to the warship's sinking, ranging from U.N. Security Council action to additional U.S. penalties. The exchange of war rhetoric raised tensions, but the isolated communist regime — already under international pressure to cease its nuclear weapons program — often warns of dire consequences against South Korea or Washington for any punitive steps against it. Its large but decrepit military would be no match for U.S. and Korean forces. The impoverished country is already chafing from international sanctions tightened last year in the wake of widely condemned nuclear and missile tests. U.N. sanctions currently block funding to certain officials and companies, while North Korea is barred from exporting weapons and countries are authorized to inspect North Korean ships suspected of carrying illicit cargo. South Korea "will take resolute countermeasures against North Korea and make it admit its wrongdoings through strong international cooperation," Lee said during a call with Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, the presidential office said. Lee convened an emergency meeting for Friday. The White House called the sinking an unacceptable "act of aggression" that violates international law and the 1953 truce. Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama declared his support for South Korea, calling North Korea's actions "inexcusable." China, North Korea's traditional ally, called the sinking of the naval ship "unfortunate" but stopped short of backing Seoul. Pyongyang continued its steadfast denials of involvement in the sinking. "Our Korean People's Army was not founded for the purpose of attacking others. We have no intention to strike others first," Col. Pak, the naval spokesman, told APTN in the North Korean capital. "So why should we attack a ship like the Cheonan which has no relation with us, no need to strike it and we have no significance in doing so." North Korea's powerful National Defense Commission warned the South against provocative acts near their border, and urged the U.S. and Japan to "act with discretion," the state-run Korean Central News Agency said in a dispatch monitored in Seoul. North Korea has waged a slew of attacks on South Korea since the 1950-53 fighting ended, including the 1987 downing of a South Korean airliner that killed all 115 people on board. Pyongyang has never owned up to the attacks. North Korea also disputes the maritime border drawn unilaterally by U.N. forces at the close of the Korean War, and the waters have been the site of several deadly naval clashes since 1999. Detailed scientific analysis of the wreckage, as well as fragments recovered from the waters where the Cheonan went down, point to North Korea, investigators said. The bending of the ship's keel backs the theory that an underwater torpedo triggered a shockwave and bubble effect that tore the ship apart, the report said. The report also cites fractures on the main deck, statements from survivors and a sentry on a nearby island, and fractures and lacerations on the remains of deceased sailors. Pieces of the torpedo "perfectly match" the schematics of a North Korean-made torpedo Pyongyang has tried to sell abroad, chief investigator Yoon Duk-yong said. A serial number on one fragment is consistent with markings from a North Korean torpedo that Seoul obtained years earlier, Yoon said. "The evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that the torpedo was fired by a North Korean submarine," he said. "There is no other plausible explanation." At Seoul's main train station, scores of people watched raptly as the investigator laid out the evidence against North Korea. "I'm afraid," said Naima Vela, 26-year-old student from Italy. "I still have a month or two to stay in Seoul and I don't know if I should." Near the Demilitarized Zone, tourists peered across the border into North Korea. "As a mother of a boy who is serving his military duty right now, I don't want a war to break out," Jeon Bok-soon said in Paju as she looked across the border into North Korea. "However if (North Korea) keeps mentioning war, I think we should also show our strong military power," she said. --- Associated Press writers Matthew Lee in Washington, Jay Alabaster in Tokyo, Kelly Olsen and Claire Lee in Seoul, and Chi-Chi Zhang in Beijing contributed to this report. guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2010

05-20-2010, 12:33 PM	#4
Kaneman AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Odessa, TX Moto: 2000 Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird Posts: 4,931	Why can't we, as the nation that bills itself as the most powerful, send in a team of the most highly trained men to cut the head off? We're talking about 2 guys and 1 family since the Korean War. Yes, I realized they are somewhat financially backed by China and what not, but nonetheless....its just two men running that country in our lifetime. Why can't we just kill Kim? Now, maybe with the level of successful brainwashing in that country it might not matter. If North Korea's citizens truly believe that Americans are satan and that Kim is God...then I guess killing him only makes them more hostile. On one hand it's hard to believe that an entire populace could be so thoroughly brainwashed and controled, but then again, it happens right here in the USA too so maybe there's something to it. Its an interesting quandary. __________________ 1982 Honda XR80 - blown motor, 1993 Kawasaki ZX6D - sold, 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200S - sold, 1984 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Kawasaki ZRX1200R - blown motor, 2007 Suzuki DL1000 V-Strom - totalled, 2003 Yamaha FZ1 - sold, 1994 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Honda CBR600F4i - sold, 1998 Suzuki DR350 - stolen, 1989 Honda Super Magna - sold, 2007 Yamaha Stratoliner, 2000 Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird

05-20-2010, 01:13 PM	#6
Kaneman AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Odessa, TX Moto: 2000 Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird Posts: 4,931	Good points all. Is there an option that does not represent an extreme to either side. On one side you don't do shit and let them eventually develop nuclear missiles, or on the other hand a full-scale invasion. Like, just kill Kim and a dozen or so underlings and just leave... Or is the best option in the interest of future well-being to actually take out a majority of the population as Rider says...? __________________ 1982 Honda XR80 - blown motor, 1993 Kawasaki ZX6D - sold, 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200S - sold, 1984 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Kawasaki ZRX1200R - blown motor, 2007 Suzuki DL1000 V-Strom - totalled, 2003 Yamaha FZ1 - sold, 1994 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Honda CBR600F4i - sold, 1998 Suzuki DR350 - stolen, 1989 Honda Super Magna - sold, 2007 Yamaha Stratoliner, 2000 Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird

05-20-2010, 02:06 PM	#9
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	May have to tear a page outta the Mummar Quadaffi play book here. Post our navy, send thru a few cruise missles 'or did Bush use all those?' aimed at Sr leadership, and see who backs down first? __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

05-20-2010, 12:24 PM	#3
Rider Moto GP Star Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,156	A couple of nukes dropped on there asses would be sweet. Have us a little yellow tailed BBQ.