2 frames, 1 title

Dragonpaco · 02-21-2009, 04:52 AM

one of my bikes didnt come with a title, i got a mangled frame for it that does have a title, i was wondering how legal it would be to just weld the vin from the mangled frame onto the frame i want to use and have it titled as such? what do you guys think? froma monetary standpoint it would cost rougly $700 to get the title recovered and the mangled frame is already mine.

MikeSP1 · 02-21-2009, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragonpaco

one of my bikes didnt come with a title, i got a mangled frame for it that does have a title, i was wondering how legal it would be to just weld the vin from the mangled frame onto the frame i want to use and have it titled as such? what do you guys think? froma monetary standpoint it would cost rougly $700 to get the title recovered and the mangled frame is already mine.

Does your good frame have a vin? If so, you might be able to an abandoned vehicle title (don't know if anyplace still does those anymore). There has got be a way to get a title for a vehicle with a vin as long as you can prove ownership. Do you have a bill of sale for the good frame?

Gas Man · 02-21-2009, 10:06 AM

If there is no other way... I'd just do it.

askmrjesus · 02-21-2009, 10:34 AM

Unfortunately, I don't think it would be legal at all.

But, whether I would do it or not, would depend on how your DMV works. Here, they don't inspect the VIN plate. They will allow you to make a pencil rubbing of the VIN plate and bring it into the office, especially if you tell them it's hard to get to, and/or see, without removing stuff that blocks the view.

If they insist on a visual inspection, your welded up VIN plate is not likely to fool anyone.

JC

Gas Man · 02-21-2009, 10:38 AM

I have never had the Secretary of State (Michigan DMV) look at a vin plate or even inquire about proof of shit.

ZUKIMON · 02-21-2009, 10:50 AM

First off, I wouldn't be posting this up in open forum for the black helicopter guys to be looking at.
Second, I would have just went with my gut and used the VIN plate and title that I had and made it look as realistic as possible.
Third, illeagal is a sick bird. Unlawful is the word you are searching for.

Particle Man · 02-21-2009, 11:20 AM

Somehow, the thread title made me believe this would be an entirely different (and most likely disturbing) topic

Dragonpaco · 02-21-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ZUKIMON

First off, I wouldn't be posting this up in open forum for the black helicopter guys to be looking at.
Second, I would have just went with my gut and used the VIN plate and title that I had and made it look as realistic as possible.
Third, illeagal is a sick bird. Unlawful is the word you are searching for.

the thing is, i've ran both vin numbers several times to make sure nobody is missing the bike. it's 100% clean it all comes down to me being too cheap to buy a non mangled frame and too lazy to swap out everything if i ever got one

Dragonpaco · 02-21-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Particle Man

Somehow, the thread title made me believe this would be an entirely different (and most likely disturbing) topic

like 2 bikes chugging used oil from a paper cup made of a title?

MikeSP1 · 02-21-2009, 03:05 PM

I'm gonna agree with AMJ.

In FL, they require either the DMV to visually inspect the bike (if it's there) or a cop had to take a look at it if it's at your house.

Another thing to think about. IF you do manage to get it through the DMV, what happens if you ever get pulled over? Even if you have a title for that vin, the cop sees the welded up vin plate and he's gonna think you're a bike thief. And you don't even need to get pulled over. If the bikes parked and someone raises the BS flag, then you're not gonna have a leg to stand on. All in all, welded on vin plate screams that it's been stolen.

If I were you, I'd use the bike with the junk frame for parts and try to legally get a title for the good frame. I'd even say that my ex burnt the title, so long as I've got a bill of sale.

02-21-2009, 10:06 AM	#3
Gas Man Trip's Assistant Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Imported from Detroit Moto: 2009 HD Street Classic Posts: 12,149	If there is no other way... I'd just do it. __________________ -Chris "Why pay somebody else to fuck up your bike?" Run Amsoil Product

02-21-2009, 10:34 AM	#4
askmrjesus Soul Man Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Everywhere, all the time. Moto: '0000 Custom Turbo Cross (with jet kit). Posts: 6,481	Unfortunately, I don't think it would be legal at all. But, whether I would do it or not, would depend on how your DMV works. Here, they don't inspect the VIN plate. They will allow you to make a pencil rubbing of the VIN plate and bring it into the office, especially if you tell them it's hard to get to, and/or see, without removing stuff that blocks the view. If they insist on a visual inspection, your welded up VIN plate is not likely to fool anyone. JC __________________ The way things are going, they're gonna crucify me.

02-21-2009, 10:38 AM	#5
Gas Man Trip's Assistant Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Imported from Detroit Moto: 2009 HD Street Classic Posts: 12,149	I have never had the Secretary of State (Michigan DMV) look at a vin plate or even inquire about proof of shit. __________________ -Chris "Why pay somebody else to fuck up your bike?" Run Amsoil Product

02-21-2009, 10:50 AM	#6
ZUKIMON Is this thing on? Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ashe Co, NC (Near Boone) Moto: '01, 929RR Posts: 398	First off, I wouldn't be posting this up in open forum for the black helicopter guys to be looking at. Second, I would have just went with my gut and used the VIN plate and title that I had and made it look as realistic as possible. Third, illeagal is a sick bird. Unlawful is the word you are searching for. __________________ Dirty Harry said there's nothing wrong with a little shooting, as long as the right people get shot.

02-21-2009, 11:20 AM	#7
Particle Man Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central NY Moto: 2003 SV650S Posts: 14,959	Somehow, the thread title made me believe this would be an entirely different (and most likely disturbing) topic __________________ I'm not "fat." I'm "Enlarged to show texture." Handle every stressful situation like a DOG: If you can't eat it or hump it, pi$$ on it & walk away.

02-21-2009, 03:05 PM	#10
MikeSP1 Perpetual trouble Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: at the base of the Alps Moto: VTX 1300C, RC51, CBR600RR, CBR929RR Posts: 715	I'm gonna agree with AMJ. In FL, they require either the DMV to visually inspect the bike (if it's there) or a cop had to take a look at it if it's at your house. Another thing to think about. IF you do manage to get it through the DMV, what happens if you ever get pulled over? Even if you have a title for that vin, the cop sees the welded up vin plate and he's gonna think you're a bike thief. And you don't even need to get pulled over. If the bikes parked and someone raises the BS flag, then you're not gonna have a leg to stand on. All in all, welded on vin plate screams that it's been stolen. If I were you, I'd use the bike with the junk frame for parts and try to legally get a title for the good frame. I'd even say that my ex burnt the title, so long as I've got a bill of sale. __________________ "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, shouting GERONIMO!"