All in the rider...

Shift · 10-17-2008, 10:11 AM

Little vid I found not sure if you guys seen it. Runs up on the GSXR around two min or so. Of course the suk pulls down the straight but as far as carrying speed into the corners he gets raped by the 6R.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3goMOEi1cr4

smileyman · 10-17-2008, 11:26 AM

I have been on both sides of this argument. I have owned GSXR1000s and CBR1000s on my SV650 and have been made to look stupid by 15 year olds on TZ85s or RS125s...It is all relative to the commitment and abilities of the rider....

the chi · 10-17-2008, 11:39 AM

Im with smiley, its the rider, not the bike...the Stig who lurks around here could run laps around people on a 50, let alone his 750 race bike!

Shift · 10-17-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by smileyman

I have been on both sides of this argument.

What arguement?

I title the thread "its all in the rider so it was clear the rider makes the bike not the other way around."

With the exception of some of the squidly crowd anyone can tell the 600 rider is hands down the much better rider here.

Mr Lefty · 10-17-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shift

What arguement?

I title the thread "its all in the rider so it was clear the rider makes the bike not the other way around."

With the exception of some of the squidly crowd anyone can tell the 600 rider is hands down the much better rider here.

well mr Honda believes it's the bike not the rider

OreoGaborio · 10-17-2008, 05:23 PM

wish I had an on-board camera when I was riding my old EX500 at VIR & passed a 1098..... twice.... in the same lap.

Hehe, that EX had more years on it than the 1098 had months.... and I wouldn't be surprised if that was the guy's first bike. I have no idea what he was doing in the advanced group, but hey, I wasn't working that day, it was someone else's event.

Anyway, I digress...

The guy on the gsxr1k has to get more track time on that circuit & he has to look MUCH farther ahead... He kept blowing turn after turn... I'd HOPE the guy on the ZX would be able to keep up.

Trip · 10-17-2008, 05:23 PM

This isn't racing, this is a track day. Of course there is going to be a wide gap in ability. This is really common. Kinda harsh to put down someone who is at the right place to be learning how to ride his bike.

OreoGaborio · 10-17-2008, 05:27 PM

oh, thanks for the clarification... the brake lights threw me off, I thought I was watching WSBK

I would never put someone down for doing a track day... I WOULD however say they're riding like crap if indeed they were riding like crap... but I wouldn't say it to their face

Instead I'd give em some 1-on-1 & help em out.

smileyman · 10-17-2008, 05:31 PM

Both examples that came to my mind were racing at club racing events...The CBR was actually a 929 though. I was just scrubbing in tires when he came past, 2 laps later when I outbraked him he just looked shocked, his whole body language was like "an SV? WTF?. Then he flies by 2 straight aways later defiantly, only to get passed back again in the infield section, HA!

Of course your ego gets shattered by someone eventually. And then there is endurance racing when your teamates with a guy on the same bike running the same settings and he is wasting your times by 3-4 seconds a lap and your scratching your head? Where the hell can I make up 4 seconds?!?!?!

Trip · 10-17-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

oh, thanks for the clarification... the brake lights threw me off, I thought I was watching WSBK

I would never put someone down for doing a track day... I WOULD however say they're riding like crap if indeed they were riding like crap... but I wouldn't say it to their face

Instead I'd give em some 1-on-1 & help em out.

We've all been there before is what I am trying to same. Kinda harsh to start critiquing this guy's ability because he rides a liter because it looks by his lines that he is a novice rider. Kudos to him to getting on the track in the first place. He will learn in time.

10-17-2008, 10:11 AM	#1
Shift Just a Noob Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pensacola, FL Moto: 08 Green 6R Posts: 421	All in the rider... Little vid I found not sure if you guys seen it. Runs up on the GSXR around two min or so. Of course the suk pulls down the straight but as far as carrying speed into the corners he gets raped by the 6R. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3goMOEi1cr4

10-17-2008, 11:26 AM	#2
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	I have been on both sides of this argument. I have owned GSXR1000s and CBR1000s on my SV650 and have been made to look stupid by 15 year olds on TZ85s or RS125s...It is all relative to the commitment and abilities of the rider.... __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

10-17-2008, 05:23 PM	#6
OreoGaborio Tony's Crack Pusher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Topsfield MA Moto: 2003 Aprilia Tuono (street/track days), 2006 SV650 (race) Posts: 428	wish I had an on-board camera when I was riding my old EX500 at VIR & passed a 1098..... twice.... in the same lap. Hehe, that EX had more years on it than the 1098 had months.... and I wouldn't be surprised if that was the guy's first bike. I have no idea what he was doing in the advanced group, but hey, I wasn't working that day, it was someone else's event. Anyway, I digress... The guy on the gsxr1k has to get more track time on that circuit & he has to look MUCH farther ahead... He kept blowing turn after turn... I'd HOPE the guy on the ZX would be able to keep up. __________________ -Pete LRRS/CCS#187 ECK-Racing, Ironstone Ventures, Tony's Track Days, SV Racer Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists \| Phoenix Graphics \| Woodcraft \| Moon Performance \| RJ's Motorsport \| Motorcycles of Manchester \| MTAG-Pirelli The Garage: '03 Tuono (Hooligan bike :naughty) \| '06 SV650 (race) Last edited by OreoGaborio; 10-17-2008 at 05:26 PM..

10-17-2008, 05:27 PM	#8
OreoGaborio Tony's Crack Pusher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Topsfield MA Moto: 2003 Aprilia Tuono (street/track days), 2006 SV650 (race) Posts: 428	oh, thanks for the clarification... the brake lights threw me off, I thought I was watching WSBK I would never put someone down for doing a track day... I WOULD however say they're riding like crap if indeed they were riding like crap... but I wouldn't say it to their face Instead I'd give em some 1-on-1 & help em out. __________________ -Pete LRRS/CCS#187 ECK-Racing, Ironstone Ventures, Tony's Track Days, SV Racer Pine Motorparts/PBE Specialists \| Phoenix Graphics \| Woodcraft \| Moon Performance \| RJ's Motorsport \| Motorcycles of Manchester \| MTAG-Pirelli The Garage: '03 Tuono (Hooligan bike :naughty) \| '06 SV650 (race)

10-17-2008, 05:31 PM	#9
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	Both examples that came to my mind were racing at club racing events...The CBR was actually a 929 though. I was just scrubbing in tires when he came past, 2 laps later when I outbraked him he just looked shocked, his whole body language was like "an SV? WTF?. Then he flies by 2 straight aways later defiantly, only to get passed back again in the infield section, HA! Of course your ego gets shattered by someone eventually. And then there is endurance racing when your teamates with a guy on the same bike running the same settings and he is wasting your times by 3-4 seconds a lap and your scratching your head? Where the hell can I make up 4 seconds?!?!?! __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!