What a f*ckedtacular idea!!

xx CURVE xx · 02-04-2009, 03:08 PM

Lets fuck up Moto GP more!!!

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Honda To Introduce Rev Limits - For The Satellite Teams
Submitted by Kropotkin on Wed, 2009-02-04 19:15.

One of the cost-cutting proposals aimed at saving MotoGP currently under discussion is the introduction of rev limits. The idea is that the lower revving engines will stress the engines less, and make them last longer, cutting the amount of maintenance required. Whether this will work or not is open to debate, and ever the great innovator, Honda have taken the first step, in announcing that they will be placing a rev limit of 18,200 revs on RC212V engines.

Of course, Honda isn't foolish enough to sacrifice its chance of winning a title while imposing rev limits, so the only bikes these limits will be applied to will be the satellite spec RC212Vs. The factory-spec Hondas of Dani Pedrosa, Andrea Dovizioso and - presumably - Toni Elias will continue unfettered by any such limits.

This is a hard blow on the satellite teams. Though aimed at extending engine life from the current 600km to 1200km - or about two race weekends - it will also most likely render the satellite spec bikes unable to compete with the much faster factory bikes. Coming after two years of - by HRC's very high standards - substandard equipment, another year of circulating at the back of the field will make it even harder for the satellite Honda teams to secure sponsorship.

The restriction is even more frustrating because it cancels out the benefits of having pneumatic valves. The satellite teams were looking forward to being able to compete once again, now that HRC had dropped its old steel spring valve engines and switched to the potentially more powerful pneumatic valve unit. But most of those benefits will be lost due to the rev ceiling.

Though the rev limits may save money in maintenance for the satellite teams in the short term, the measure is unlikely to be much use as a guide to how such a rule might work if it were applied across the board. HRC will be content to let the satellite teams fall behind the rest of the field, but if a rev-limited-by-regulation RC212V proved uncompetitive, history says they would spend whatever it would take to get back on top of the pile, leaving no stone unturned in the quest for power, torque, or whatever was necessary to lift another championship.

The rev limit for the satellite teams could however be used as a test of logistics for HRC should new rules on extended engine life be introduced in 2010. With the satellite bikes lasting for two race weekends, HRC can test its logistics to get it right for next season, when regulations could be introduced to make it compulsory for all engines to last two race weekends. Just how satellite teams will feel about being used as a testing bed for HRC remains to be seen.

fnfalman · 02-04-2009, 03:22 PM

You notice that the Honda champions have all bailed?

marko138 · 02-04-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

You notice that the Honda champions have all bailed?

Exactly. Honda sucks.

smileyman · 02-04-2009, 03:45 PM

Here is what Honda's future of 250GP looks like. 600 4 stroke. Yeah they have lost the plot...

Mr Lefty · 02-05-2009, 03:59 AM

wow... complete bullshit. something needs to be done or the satellite teams are gonna drop like flies...

the 600 looks pimp... but I wonder if it'll run more than one season... as it seems MotoGP is die'n quick

Quick281 · 02-05-2009, 04:27 AM

Sounds like they woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

What is the point of reliable engines when you are placing at the bottom of the race when you could just have a engine blow and still finish at the bottom. Ignoring the DNF of course.

If they want to cut costs stop racing. Seems silly to race with a sure fire failure of a bike.

Trip · 02-05-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by marko138

Exactly. Honda sucks.

It could be worse, it could be a buell.

smileyman · 02-05-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ebbs15

wow... complete bullshit. something needs to be done or the satellite teams are gonna drop like flies...

the 600 looks pimp... but I wonder if it'll run more than one season... as it seems MotoGP is die'n quick

600 class was set to debut in 2011. Don't know how many other manus are going to pony up in times like this. Honda always likes to get a jump on the comp for the first years of a new thing though, like they did with the 990's and tried on the 800's.

Back on topic, you have to have satellite teams. The sanctioning body must make it possible and attractive to a team to compete or they don't. Then you lose $$ from the factory teams, as they have no one to lease new equipment or sell old equipment too, and you have less spectatorship meaning less sponsorships and there goes the neighborhood/series!

DLIT · 02-05-2009, 12:29 PM

Could be worse. Look at what the AMA has become. Still sucks though. But most satellite teams never competed towards the front anyway. Dovizioso did a few times last year, but he's with Repsol now anyway.

xx CURVE xx · 02-05-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DLIT

Could be worse. Look at what the AMA has become. Still sucks though. But most satellite teams never competed towards the front anyway. Dovizioso did a few times last year, but he's with Repsol now anyway.

True... BUT they never purposely made the sats slower.

02-04-2009, 03:08 PM	#1
xx CURVE xx SMELL MY LEVER Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Texas Moto: Tards Posts: 1,034	*What a fckedtacular idea!! Lets fuck up Moto GP more!!!** LINK Honda To Introduce Rev Limits - For The Satellite Teams Submitted by Kropotkin on Wed, 2009-02-04 19:15. One of the cost-cutting proposals aimed at saving MotoGP currently under discussion is the introduction of rev limits. The idea is that the lower revving engines will stress the engines less, and make them last longer, cutting the amount of maintenance required. Whether this will work or not is open to debate, and ever the great innovator, Honda have taken the first step, in announcing that they will be placing a rev limit of 18,200 revs on RC212V engines. Of course, Honda isn't foolish enough to sacrifice its chance of winning a title while imposing rev limits, so the only bikes these limits will be applied to will be the satellite spec RC212Vs. The factory-spec Hondas of Dani Pedrosa, Andrea Dovizioso and - presumably - Toni Elias will continue unfettered by any such limits. This is a hard blow on the satellite teams. Though aimed at extending engine life from the current 600km to 1200km - or about two race weekends - it will also most likely render the satellite spec bikes unable to compete with the much faster factory bikes. Coming after two years of - by HRC's very high standards - substandard equipment, another year of circulating at the back of the field will make it even harder for the satellite Honda teams to secure sponsorship. The restriction is even more frustrating because it cancels out the benefits of having pneumatic valves. The satellite teams were looking forward to being able to compete once again, now that HRC had dropped its old steel spring valve engines and switched to the potentially more powerful pneumatic valve unit. But most of those benefits will be lost due to the rev ceiling. Though the rev limits may save money in maintenance for the satellite teams in the short term, the measure is unlikely to be much use as a guide to how such a rule might work if it were applied across the board. HRC will be content to let the satellite teams fall behind the rest of the field, but if a rev-limited-by-regulation RC212V proved uncompetitive, history says they would spend whatever it would take to get back on top of the pile, leaving no stone unturned in the quest for power, torque, or whatever was necessary to lift another championship. The rev limit for the satellite teams could however be used as a test of logistics for HRC should new rules on extended engine life be introduced in 2010. With the satellite bikes lasting for two race weekends, HRC can test its logistics to get it right for next season, when regulations could be introduced to make it compulsory for all engines to last two race weekends. Just how satellite teams will feel about being used as a testing bed for HRC remains to be seen.

02-04-2009, 03:22 PM	#2
fnfalman Europhile Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SoCal Moto: Aprilia RS125, Aprilia SR50 Factory, Aprilia Tuono, BMW Rockster, KTM 990 Adventure Posts: 1,875	You notice that the Honda champions have all bailed? __________________ *Cogito Ergo Vroom - I think therefore I ride*

02-05-2009, 04:27 AM	#6
Quick281 Victim of Blazer Rapage Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Talkeetna, AK Moto: 06 GSXR 600 Posts: 1,707	Sounds like they woke up on the wrong side of the bed. What is the point of reliable engines when you are placing at the bottom of the race when you could just have a engine blow and still finish at the bottom. Ignoring the DNF of course. If they want to cut costs stop racing. Seems silly to race with a sure fire failure of a bike. __________________ -Alex- Resident TWFix Noob. My 06 GSXR 600 <-- Its Clickable Fools.

02-05-2009, 12:29 PM	#9
DLIT Clit Commander Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Las Vegas Moto: 2012 Ducati 1199 Panigale S Posts: 4,189	Could be worse. Look at what the AMA has become. Still sucks though. But most satellite teams never competed towards the front anyway. Dovizioso did a few times last year, but he's with Repsol now anyway. __________________ Dress for the crash. Not the ride.

02-05-2009, 03:59 AM	#5
Mr Lefty TWFix Legend Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Denver CO Moto: 01 BMW F650GS Dakar Posts: 15,677	wow... complete bullshit. something needs to be done or the satellite teams are gonna drop like flies... the 600 looks pimp... but I wonder if it'll run more than one season... as it seems MotoGP is die'n quick