Buell unveils 1125RR race bike - Page 9

Amber Lamps · 07-17-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by shmike

Three reason why that's a bad example:

1. Mat Mladin won the 2003 Title on a Suzuki.

2. There were two other factories using the same displacement advantage in 2002.

3. 2003 was the year the displacement advantage ended.

The 2002 rules were not written for Honda, they just built the best machine under the existing rules.

What? Honda won the Championship on a 1000 V-Twin vs 750 I4s, when that advantage was taken away, they never won again. In fact they've won very few races since then. I have no idea why...

Tmall · 07-17-2009, 06:41 AM

I guess that's what I got for feeling saucy and not using google.

marko138 · 07-17-2009, 08:40 AM

Go Buell. That is all. Back to you.

Tmall · 07-17-2009, 09:03 AM

Also, when the displacement advantage ended.. The 1000s were running restrictor plates. If you want to talk about copying nascar, isn't that how they've always restricted engines?

shmike · 07-17-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

I guess that's what I got for feeling saucy and not using google.

Yeah sorry about that.

Seriously though, the rules had allowed the 1000 twins to run against the 750's and Honda took advantage of that.

Harley was running the VR1000, Ducati the 916/99X bikes, hell even Suzuki ran the TLR for a few years (not sure about '02 though).

They didn't build a bike and then have the rules changed to make it fit.

For restrictor plates, I don't remeber, I know the new 1000 inlines were allowed less motor mods but I don't recall whether or not they used restrictor plates.

Amber Lamps · 07-17-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by shmike

Yeah sorry about that.

Seriously though, the rules had allowed the 1000 twins to run against the 750's and Honda took advantage of that.

Harley was running the VR1000, Ducati the 916/99X bikes, hell even Suzuki ran the TLR for a few years (not sure about '02 though).

They didn't build a bike and then have the rules changed to make it fit.

For restrictor plates, I don't remeber, I know the new 1000 inlines were allowed less motor mods but I don't recall whether or not they used restrictor plates.

I'm not sure about AMA but I know they were restricted in WSBK.

Amber Lamps · 07-17-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by marko138

Go Buell. That is all. Back to you.

Actually, I hope they do well after all of this! I mean, I'd honestly hate to have that egg on our faces if they do badly after all of the advantages they've been given.

smileyman · 07-17-2009, 12:18 PM

NASCAR SUX! The Toyota teams built engines to the rulebook, NASCAR approved them, then changed the rules for Toyota mid season, restricting their carbs cause they were kickin everyones ass. Trip is right to object to that mindset in bike racing regardless of the manufacturer!

smileyman · 07-17-2009, 12:22 PM

and while I a wound up, the reason DMG think they can get away with it is because they did it semi successfully with the Moto ST gig. 3 classes, rules on power to weight for any kinda bike. They screwed that pooch too though as at first it was no sportbikes and then they allowed Aprilia Tuonos to walk away with their class as they are just naked RSVs. The other big difference is endurance is not about racing hea to head but about durability and endurance.

marko138 · 07-17-2009, 02:54 PM

The Buell, piloted by Taylor Knapp, qualifies 11th.

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07-17-2009, 12:22 PM	#89
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	and while I a wound up, the reason DMG think they can get away with it is because they did it semi successfully with the Moto ST gig. 3 classes, rules on power to weight for any kinda bike. They screwed that pooch too though as at first it was no sportbikes and then they allowed Aprilia Tuonos to walk away with their class as they are just naked RSVs. The other big difference is endurance is not about racing hea to head but about durability and endurance. __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

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Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	I guess that's what I got for feeling saucy and not using google.

07-17-2009, 09:03 AM	#84
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	Also, when the displacement advantage ended.. The 1000s were running restrictor plates. If you want to talk about copying nascar, isn't that how they've always restricted engines?