Pa. abortion doc killed 7 babies with scissors - Page 8

goof2 · 01-22-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

"Capable of living outside the womb"...... too bad it won't live very long without being taken care of. Hell, the same is true for most toddlers.

IMO it's no different than people trying to justify why a dog or cat is more worthy of survival than a deer. It's just an arbitrary decision based on physical appeal or what they can or can't stomach.

You asked what it is based on. Nobody said it had to make sense.

Amber Lamps · 01-22-2011, 10:49 AM

Morality is always a sticky issue...Women have been aborting babies since forever, normally for pragmatic or survival reasons. In our present society, women often abort children for convenience reasons. I find this quite distasteful on a personal level but I don't believe that it is any of my business, as I took myself out of the "breeding pool" over 20 years ago.

Of course, if we have these discussions, I will always be against abortion for convenience, period. "Having a baby doesn't fit into my lifestyle or plans right now", will never be a viable reason to murder a child IMHO. Women that do so should probably be restricted from having children whatsoever, if they can throw one away so casually.

As far as the "moral" difference between 6 months and 8 months... I guess it doesn't really matter any more than considering the age of the victim in a murder trial, ie sentencing the murderer based on how many more years the victim might have lived. My only point with the pregnancy time is a legal one, again, it's always wrong to abort for convenience imho.

As far as the "which animals can be killed" thing goes... I've often argued that point myself. M. Vick kills a couple dogs=MONSTER! Joe Blow posts pics of the 20 deer racks he has hanging in his den and he's a hero....

Amber Lamps · 01-22-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by goof2

You asked what it is based on. Nobody said it had to make sense.

I guess they had to make the "cut-off" point somewhere.... BTW I personally know several people that believe that Tommy's wife, for example, could have changed her mind at the hospital and instead of inducing labor, she could have aborted. It was her choice. In fact, if I'm not mistaken we have a couple people on this board that feel this way.

Again, I'm out of the "breeding pool" so I don't "care" what the rest of you do with your children but I do have an opinion.

Papa_Complex · 01-22-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

As far as the "which animals can be killed" thing goes... I've often argued that point myself. M. Vick kills a couple dogs=MONSTER! Joe Blow posts pics of the 20 deer racks he has hanging in his den and he's a hero....

Joe Blow probably ate those deer, or at least gave someone their meat, rather than leaving them to rot in the forest. As to Vick it likely wouldn't have mattered if they were dogs or roosters; it's illegal for both.

goof2 · 01-22-2011, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

I guess they had to make the "cut-off" point somewhere.... BTW I personally know several people that believe that Tommy's wife, for example, could have changed her mind at the hospital and instead of inducing labor, she could have aborted. It was her choice. In fact, if I'm not mistaken we have a couple people on this board that feel this way.

Again, I'm out of the "breeding pool" so I don't "care" what the rest of you do with your children but I do have an opinion.

If you read my post from last night I did cover those who believe, for a couple of different reasons, it should be the mother's choice right up until birth.

Amber Lamps · 01-22-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Joe Blow probably ate those deer, or at least gave someone their meat, rather than leaving them to rot in the forest. As to Vick it likely wouldn't have mattered if they were dogs or roosters; it's illegal for both.

Ah but are we arguing morality or legality? Is it your contention that if Vick had eaten those dogs and mounted their heads on his wall, it would have been "morally" okay in your book?

Amber Lamps · 01-22-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by goof2

If you read my post from last night I did cover those who believe, for a couple of different reasons, it should be the mother's choice right up until birth.

Oh I'm not arguing with you at all... I can understand the point if it were rape, a deformed child, etc. If you read my post you'll see that I am only against abortion for convenience.

Papa_Complex · 01-22-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Ah but are we arguing morality or legality? Is it your contention that if Vick had eaten those dogs and mounted their heads on his wall, it would have been "morally" okay in your book?

Yup; as long as he didn't kill them in a torturous way.

Amber Lamps · 01-22-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Yup; as long as he didn't kill them in a torturous way.

Lord knows being gut shot and dragging your ass 1+ miles before finally breathing your last breath isn't "torturous"...

Homeslice · 01-22-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Lord knows being gut shot and dragging your ass 1+ miles before finally breathing your last breath isn't "torturous"...

Ah, but hunting is a time-honored tradition practiced by Real Men with Small-Town Values from the Heartbread of America

Wheras dogs are man's best friends, and have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be more intelligent and worthy of life than deer, whales, or any other animal

01-22-2011, 10:49 AM	#72
Amber Lamps Moto GP Star Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14,556	Morality is always a sticky issue...Women have been aborting babies since forever, normally for pragmatic or survival reasons. In our present society, women often abort children for convenience reasons. I find this quite distasteful on a personal level but I don't believe that it is any of my business, as I took myself out of the "breeding pool" over 20 years ago. Of course, if we have these discussions, I will always be against abortion for convenience, period. "Having a baby doesn't fit into my lifestyle or plans right now", will never be a viable reason to murder a child IMHO. Women that do so should probably be restricted from having children whatsoever, if they can throw one away so casually. As far as the "moral" difference between 6 months and 8 months... I guess it doesn't really matter any more than considering the age of the victim in a murder trial, ie sentencing the murderer based on how many more years the victim might have lived. My only point with the pregnancy time is a legal one, again, it's always wrong to abort for convenience imho. As far as the "which animals can be killed" thing goes... I've often argued that point myself. M. Vick kills a couple dogs=MONSTER! Joe Blow posts pics of the 20 deer racks he has hanging in his den and he's a hero....