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jtemple · 04-29-2011, 05:12 PM

Here, I found some links. I left out the Apple fanboy sites, to be fair:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/27/apple-iphone-location/

http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/27/we-...-dont-have-to/

http://blogs.computerworld.com/18190...ation_tracking

Here's a link that will let you point at your backup directory and show you the location data that's being stored:

http://markolson.github.com/js-sqlite-map-thing/

jtemple · 04-29-2011, 05:17 PM

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/...phone-tracking

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/21/t...n-do-about-it/

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/04/iphone-location/

http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/21/app...tion-database/

Oh look, Android does it too:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/22/goo...roid-is-opt-in

Avatard · 04-29-2011, 05:23 PM

I know the Droid does it too.

See "non-smart-phone" thread, for why I have a phone, that's a fucking PHONE, and I use it to make PHONE CALLS.

If you wanna carry a tracking device, knock yourselves out.

If you gave me an iPhone, I'd sell it.

Avatard · 04-29-2011, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthonyk

How can it be Apple double talk if they're not saying it?

We track your cell and wifi logons, but no, we don't track your phone?

Really? Man, I wish I was selling shit, I have a feeling I could sell you fucking anything.

Homeslice · 04-29-2011, 05:33 PM

Turn your phone off (heaven forbid) if you're worried.

BTW, turn fucking geo-tagging off if you're taking pics.

jtemple · 04-29-2011, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avatard

We track your cell and wifi logons, but no, we don't track your phone?

Really? Man, I wish I was selling shit, I have a feeling I could sell you fucking anything.

The geo points in the database are the locations of cell phone towers and wifi hotspots, not the location of the phone itself. You claim otherwise, but offer no proof.

The website I've found just plots the points on a map. There is no other information given (date/time/etc). Either the website doesn't support it, or the data isn't logged. It's simply points on a map.

Triangulation of your location based on tower/wifi spots is pretty inaccurate. The only way to get truly accurate location data on the device is through GPS. The GPS only turns on when needed by apps. Running the GPS 24/7 to log true device position data would drain the battery in a hurry, just like running a turn-by-turn navigation app constantly without an external power source. The iPhone 4 is only good for a few hours like that.

Avatard · 04-29-2011, 05:38 PM

SO they're spying on me, but they're not doing it very well or accurately?

You're a fucking genius.

anthonyk · 04-30-2011, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avatard

We track your cell and wifi logons, but no, we don't track your phone?

Really? Man, I wish I was selling shit, I have a feeling I could sell you fucking anything.

I'd point out (again) that the data being sent to Apple is claimed to be anonymous, but I don't think it'd get through your tinfoil hat (again).

If Apple is tracking my phone, then I should be able to go to Apple somewhere and find specific location data in Apple's hands that I can link to my phone. Apple says that's not the case. Ergo, Apple is not tracking my phone.

I wish you'd sell me some of the shit you're smoking, because it seems to dull the wits quite nicely.

Tmall · 04-30-2011, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthonyk

I'd point out (again) that the data being sent to Apple is claimed to be anonymous, but I don't think it'd get through your tinfoil hat (again).

If Apple is tracking my phone, then I should be able to go to Apple somewhere and find specific location data in Apple's hands that I can link to my phone. Apple says that's not the case. Ergo, Apple is not tracking my phone.

I wish you'd sell me some of the shit you're smoking, because it seems to dull the wits quite nicely.

That's your argument? You can't find a link to it, so it doesn't exist?

jtemple · 04-30-2011, 09:02 AM

Ok, now that I'm home, here's the location data that's currently on my phone. Now, tell me, what can you do with it? Pretty much nothing, except see approximately where I've been.

The big picture:

Zoomed way in somewhere:

Now, I've never been inside all those buildings. They're either wifi hotspots, or cell towers.

You can't see when I was in the area, which way I was going, latitude/longitude, or speed I was traveling. There's not even a line tracing my path, like a GPS track.

They are points on a map; that's it.

04-29-2011, 05:12 PM	#51
jtemple Geek Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Papillion, Nebraska Moto: 2011 Husqvarna TE630 Posts: 1,437	Here, I found some links. I left out the Apple fanboy sites, to be fair: http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/27/apple-iphone-location/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/27/we-...-dont-have-to/ http://blogs.computerworld.com/18190...ation_tracking Here's a link that will let you point at your backup directory and show you the location data that's being stored: http://markolson.github.com/js-sqlite-map-thing/ Last edited by jtemple; 04-29-2011 at 05:14 PM..

04-29-2011, 05:23 PM	#53
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	I know the Droid does it too. See "non-smart-phone" thread, for why I have a phone, that's a fucking PHONE, and I use it to make PHONE CALLS. If you wanna carry a tracking device, knock yourselves out. If you gave me an iPhone, I'd sell it. __________________ Insert free thought here.

04-29-2011, 05:38 PM	#57
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	SO they're spying on me, but they're not doing it very well or accurately? You're a fucking genius. __________________ Insert free thought here.

04-29-2011, 05:17 PM	#52
jtemple Geek Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Papillion, Nebraska Moto: 2011 Husqvarna TE630 Posts: 1,437	http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/...phone-tracking http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/21/t...n-do-about-it/ http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/04/iphone-location/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/21/app...tion-database/ Oh look, Android does it too: http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/22/goo...roid-is-opt-in

04-29-2011, 05:33 PM	#55
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Turn your phone off (heaven forbid) if you're worried. BTW, turn fucking geo-tagging off if you're taking pics.

04-30-2011, 09:02 AM	#60
jtemple Geek Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Papillion, Nebraska Moto: 2011 Husqvarna TE630 Posts: 1,437	Ok, now that I'm home, here's the location data that's currently on my phone. Now, tell me, what can you do with it? Pretty much nothing, except see approximately where I've been. The big picture: Zoomed way in somewhere: Now, I've never been inside all those buildings. They're either wifi hotspots, or cell towers. You can't see when I was in the area, which way I was going, latitude/longitude, or speed I was traveling. There's not even a line tracing my path, like a GPS track. They are points on a map; that's it.